dairy - full-fat vs low-fat?

[PsychedelicEagle]

@Sugarcoat Yes, very likely. My LDL went from 110-120 down (2023-24) to 60; most recently 70 mg/dL (2025-26)

I would estimate I was eating this greek yogurt, about 250-300g/day:

https://www.migros.ch/en/product/205003000000

If you look at the nutritional values:  6.2 g sat fat / 100g -> 18.6g/day ONLY from the yogurt.

My current TOTAL average intake for the last 6 months is 12.3g/day. 

Edited Saturday at 08:01 PM by PsychedelicEagle

[Judy2]

@Sugarcoat :)

[Judy2]

@PsychedelicEagle that's a very high fat yoghurt. don't you guys also have high protein greek yoghurt with less fat (in the US, i assume)?

i've heard conflicting stories about collagen and how it might be useless because it's broken down during digestion anyway. but maybe that doesn't matter.

[PsychedelicEagle]

39 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

@PsychedelicEagle that's a very high fat yoghurt. don't you guys also have high protein greek yoghurt with less fat (in the US, i assume)?

i've heard conflicting stories about collagen and how it might be useless because it's broken down during digestion anyway. but maybe that doesn't matter.

Yes, that was before I was aware of the importance of lowering sat fat.

As for protein yogurt: honestly I think soy yogurt is healthier. Dairy potential risks in my eyes: casein (gut immune effects), IGF-1 & insulin elevation, hormonal content (most milk comes from pregnant cows). Soy milk just seems a lot cleaner, especially if you do it yourself. Not to mention animal welfare & environmental impact. The only upsides of dairy would be iodine (only present because the cow tits are cleaned with an iodine solution), calcium, & b12, all of which I prefer to supplement.

As for collagen: there is evidence that collagen peptides appear in circulation after collagen is ingested. So our bodies absorb it without final hydrolysation. The question is whether these peptides actually signal collagen synthesis or simply provide substrate (which isolated AAs could replace). Since I have low bone density and trying to optmize it, i decided to take collagen. But I take a smaller dose and supplement with pure Glycine too, which seems to be the limiting AA (thinking of substrate for collagen synthesis, not necessarily signaling).

Edited Saturday at 09:01 PM by PsychedelicEagle

[Schizophonia]

It virtualy doesn't make any differences. 

Especially if you're still too thin because of your ed; you could indulge yourself with your diet.

 

Edited Saturday at 09:57 PM by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

If you're having a lot of cravings (based on you mentioning the articifical sweeteners) then it could be sign something is lacking, so you could experiment with that, rather than trying to decide beforehand 

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

If you're having a lot of cravings (based on you mentioning the articifical sweeteners) then it could be sign something is lacking, so you could experiment with that, rather than trying to decide beforehand 

She was anorexic; she posted photos on one of her journals where she looked very skinny.

I don't know where she stands now.

Edited Saturday at 10:23 PM by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

She was anorexic; she posted photos on one of her journals where he looked very skinny.

I don't know where she stands now.

i remember yea, so it applies 

[Schizophonia]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

i remember yea, so it applies 

👍 

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

@Sugarcoat Yes, very likely. My LDL went from 110-120 down (2023-24) to 60; most recently 70 mg/dL (2025-26)

I would estimate I was eating this greek yogurt, about 250-300g/day:

https://www.migros.ch/en/product/205003000000

If you look at the nutritional values:  6.2 g sat fat / 100g -> 18.6g/day ONLY from the yogurt.

My current TOTAL average intake for the last 6 months is 12.3g/day. 

Is that the stock market 😂 

Well I dont have the feel for those numbers, but yea you could be one of those hyper responders.They mention great metabolism, maybe its a good sign if the body absorbs it well, but then adjustments are needed to accommodate for that

[Judy2]

@Schizophonia thanks for your concern. i am stable for now.

the tendency to eat very high volume, low-calorie food and rely on artificial sweeteners is a bit of a remnant of my ed, but since i see this kind of behaviour being promoted a lot among 'healthy' people (without ed history) on social media these days, i'm second guessing a little bit. in general, i haven't entirely figured out what way of eating is actually good for me. i try to accept that and just ask questions as they arise.

Edited Sunday at 01:52 AM by Judy2

[Schizophonia]

5 hours ago, Judy2 said:

@Schizophonia thanks for your concern. i am stable for now.

Happy to enlighten people with my light
😸

5 hours ago, Judy2 said:

the tendency to eat very high volume, low-calorie food and rely on artificial sweeteners is a bit of a remnant of my ed, but since i see this kind of behaviour being promoted a lot among 'healthy' people (without ed history)

You don't know, and from a certain point of view it may be worse to have "just a little bit of an ed" because the pressure is less to give it all up, and thus like any neurosis it can last an entire incarnation.
What I think is that it's essentially a waste of time and cognitive energy; that It's impossible to become overweight unless you're particularly inactive or suddenly develop a metabolic problem, that fat/water doesn't systematically make people less attractive (quite the opposite, in fact), and that the human body is a survival machine to the point where some people live to a ripe old age despite daily smoking and alcohol consumption lol; so is debating which is better for health between a glass of cow's milk or soy milk really relevant aside from any noticeable adverse reactions to your opinion, from this pov.

5 hours ago, Judy2 said:

on social media these days, i'm second guessing a little bit. in general, i haven't entirely figured out what way of eating is actually good for me. i try to accept that and just ask questions as they arise.

👍 

[Schizophonia]

Me I drink Ricard for the antioxidants 😸

Edited Sunday at 07:55 AM by Schizophonia

[Judy2]

On 31/05/2026 at 9:53 AM, Schizophonia said:

 It's impossible to become overweight unless you're particularly inactive or suddenly develop a metabolic problem

my mum and grandma are both overweight and i worry a little bit that it's in my genes (ugh). but my mum was very skinny when she was younger, it's just that menopause hit her bad. 

so i wonder what habits i can pick up now to epigenetically prevent this kind of fate....exercising a lot is the only solution i've come up with so far. my idea is i'll get so used to it that i'll still want to exercise a lot when i'm 50, and then menopause won't be so tough on me. 

if anyone can think of something else, those tips are very welcome, though. 

[Schizophonia]

30 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

my mum and grandma are both overweight and i worry a little bit that it's in my genes (ugh). but my mum was very skinny when she was younger, it's just that menopause hit her bad. 

Because they don't exercise or they eat too much.
If you had the mental strength to deprive yourself of so much food, you'll have the strength to limit yourself a little for a while if you really need to in the future.
As for genetics you also have your father's genetics and a good number of genetic mutations; so you might still have a lean genetic predisposition that your mother don't have.
There's also a strong epigenetic component (I don't believe in the genetic/epigenetic cliveage in the absolute, because of non duality blablabla, but it doesn't matter); if your mother isn't involved in certain things, she'll naturally want to eat AND her thermogenesis will decrease (one is an unconscious response to the other), but you must have a different profile. 

Maybe you're neurotic about it because you don't want to look like your mother or like yourself when you were younger if you had weight problems or something like that, I know you told me something like "Yes, but my face isn't suited to it, so I have to be particularly thin", all women say that lol; but maybe you would be prettier (and healthier) with more curves.

As French chefs say fat is what gives flavor 😸

More seriously abandoning all these concerns at least partially, even if it means gaining more or less weight, and focus on hygiene, clothes, makeup, etc.

Just my 2cts.

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so i wonder what habits i can pick up now to epigenetically prevent this kind of fate....exercising a lot is the only solution i've come up with so far. my idea is i'll get so used to it that i'll still want to exercise a lot when i'm 50, and then menopause won't be so tough on me. 

It's not pleasant to live like this it's too bad.

Edited 7 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Judy2]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

As for genetics you also have your father's genetics and a good number of genetic mutations; so you might still have a lean genetic predisposition that your mother don't have.

my father is also overweight. but he also has very questionable views on nutrition. 

my brother is ripped, though. 

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

I know you told me something like "Yes, but my face isn't suited to it, so I have to be particularly thin", all women say that lol; but maybe you would be prettier (and healthier) with more curves.

dentists have literally told me that i should consider having surgery for my jaw because it's so narrow. so i'm not making that up:) 

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

but maybe you would be prettier (and healthier) with more curves.

As French chefs say fat is what gives flavor 😸

i know you don't believe me but i have direct experience of being at different BMI ranges and how people treat me differently in relation to it. sure, BMI ~11-14 maybe isn't perceived as that attractive (though there was one thirty-something-year-old dude messaging me recently on the basis of Instagram pictures from many years ago when i was an anorexic minor and said he wanted to meet me? don't know what's up with that but it's creepy; and several people have said i looked so cute when i was emaciated - yourself included). but the real problem is i've had direct experience of being maybe BMI 22ish vs BMI 17 or 18, and at 17/18 i wasn't healthy at all, but unfortunately, that's the kind of skinny that people can still think of as healthy, and that's also when i got more attention than i ever did at healthier BMIs (where i also felt more stable with my behaviour independent of the BMI charts). that's incredibly painful to deal with. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Judy2

[Schizophonia]

4 hours ago, Judy2 said:

my father is also overweight. but he also has very questionable views on nutrition. 

my brother is ripped, though. 

dentists have literally told me that i should consider having surgery for my jaw because it's so narrow. so i'm not making that up:) 

i know you don't believe me but i have direct experience of being at different BMI ranges and how people treat me differently in relation to it. sure, BMI ~11-14 maybe isn't perceived as that attractive (though there was one thirty-something-year-old dude messaging me recently on the basis of Instagram pictures from many years ago when i was an anorexic minor and said he wanted to meet me? don't know what's up with that but it's creepy; and several people have said i looked so cute when i was emaciated - yourself included). but the real problem is i've had direct experience of being maybe BMI 22ish vs BMI 17 or 18, and at 17/18 i wasn't healthy at all, but unfortunately, that's the kind of skinny that people can still think of as healthy, and that's also when i got more attention than i ever did at healthier BMIs (where i also felt more stable with my behaviour independent of the BMI charts). that's incredibly painful to deal with. 

No I was talking about your energy  because it's quite pleasant it's soft and sensitive.

This way of phrasing it as "that means you appreciate me because I'm emaciated" 

 

But if you're complaining, then maybe you should deviate of strategy, of persona to get attention. Maybe you will naturally stay thin etc; maybe you will have to gain weight and change your strategy to get attention (in general I believe that weight is correlated with querulousness ?).

I mean, you want to have a pleasant life with friends, a lover, maybe a pet, physical activities, etc. What keeps people stuck in a negative persona is the unconscious fear of making things worse. All I can do, I believe, or anyone else for that matter, is help to push you to overcome that tension/resistance.

[Osaid]

If you're open to trying, I like intermittent fasting. Like 16 or 18 hours, 1-2 meals a day. Except, I do allow liquids like coffee or tea in the morning with cream or sugar and a snack at most. I think warm beverages like coffee and tea help with metabolism.

The meals have to be dense and filling and nutritious though. Lack of nutrition will cause more cravings because the body tries to find it in something else, creating a cycle. Fiber is also good for satiety. Calories are also good for satiety. Hard to go wrong with whole foods.

I don't believe in the "low-calorie" philosophy/fad, I think it leads to consuming strange processed foods without any nutrition which creates a cycle of cravings, as mentioned before. Basically, what you're eating is like eating air, so you end up hungry very quickly afterwards or it makes a tendency to snack on air all the time.

It's hard to see anything bad happening with the fasting as a "buffer", and you could probably combine exercise too. For weight loss I would probably consume coffee/tea with just cream or no cream at all.

As for the question in the title, high fat because it tastes the best.