Great interview with Scott Galloway

[enchanted]

Some good criticism of the left from the left

[Raze]

Scott is a moron. All he does is bring up issues others have been saying for years like it’s his new genius insight, then gives horrible explanations and solutions.

He said he thinks the solution for mens issues is men should drink alcohol and try to make more money.

Edited yesterday at 01:55 AM by Raze

[Ulax]

I like Scott Galloway

[enchanted]

20 minutes ago, Raze said:

Scott is a moron. All he does is explain things others have been saying for years like it’s a genius insight, then gives horrible explanations and solutions.

He said he thinks the solution for mens issues is men should drink alcohol and try to make more money.

@Razeis a moron all he does is share unembedded links and thinks he's a genius. 

Lol just joking, I'm sure you are a pretty cool dude in real life.

Gallow suggests getting more social and to be financially secure. Nothing wrong with that. 

Edited yesterday at 02:11 AM by enchanted

[enchanted]

9 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I like Scott Galloway

Same here, he speaks for the major demographic of the actualized.org forum: disenfranchised young men. 

Edited yesterday at 02:02 AM by enchanted

[Raze]

16 minutes ago, enchanted said:

 

Gallow suggests getting more social and to be financially secure. Nothing wrong with that. 

 

[Ulax]

11 minutes ago, Raze said:

 

LOOOL

[Ulax]

Biggest thing Scott Galloway does is he is able to talk about male issues in a way that the left don't lose their shit over. That is definitely important.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Ulax said:

Biggest thing Scott Galloway does is he is able to talk about male issues in a way that the left don't lose their shit over. That is definitely important.

Yep.

Also he HEAVILY advocates for the need and (current gap) for strong male role models men can get behind. The role of "fathers" is really important.

He doesn't advocate for returning to a previous system, or trying to change others. I like how he is more focussed on how men can cultivate integrity and worth through changing themselves and not blaming external factors. I think it is a self empowering message to run against the hopeless nihilism much of the younger generations are faced with in current culture. He emphasises how a lot of male suicide is punctuated common narratives around feeling "useless" and worthless. Pointing toward males having a deep need to provide value for their themselves as a natural manifestation of masculinity - and not because they are forced to be value providers by external incentive structures (that's not to deny there aren't significant external incentives at force, more that this is actually a positive masculine trait that produces positive self worth when fertilised).

Less 'society needs to fix this' and more recovering male agency, meaning & competence. 

3 hours ago, Raze said:

He said he thinks the solution for mens issues is men should drink alcohol and try to make more money.

This is too simple and falls into the reductionist trap. He says alcohol is one potential way to assist with socialization but its a mechanism to loosen up - and there are others. You've also twisted his message of cultivating purpose and value into straight making money - he never claims this is the only way to actualise as a man. This is just your stripped down interpretation. 

[enchanted]

7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yep.

Also he HEAVILY advocates for the need and (current gap) for strong male role models men can get behind. The role of "fathers" is really important.

He doesn't advocate for returning to a previous system, or trying to change others. I like how he is more focussed on how men can cultivate integrity and worth through changing themselves and not blaming external factors. I think it is a self empowering message to run against the hopeless nihilism much of the younger generations are faced with in current culture. He emphasises how a lot of male suicide is punctuated common narratives around feeling "useless" and worthless. Pointing toward males having a deep need to provide value for their themselves as a natural manifestation of masculinity - and not because they are forced to be value providers by external incentive structures (that's not to deny there aren't significant external incentives at force, more that this is actually a positive masculine trait that produces positive self worth when fertilised).

Less 'society needs to fix this' and more recovering male agency, meaning & competence. 

This is too simple and falls into the reductionist trap. He says alcohol is one potential way to assist with socialization but its a mechanism to loosen up - and there are others. You've also twisted his message of cultivating purpose and value into straight making money - he never claims this is the only way to actualise as a man. This is just your stripped down interpretation. 

Well said!

[Leo Gura]

Scott is one of the few men out there giving advice to young men without being toxic or misogynistic. So credit to him for that.

[enchanted]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Scott is one of the few men out there giving advice to young men without being toxic or misogynistic. So credit to him for that.

Agreed, the has some really good talking points that are worth listening to if you are a guy or you're worried about young guys in your life

Edited 7 hours ago by enchanted

[Raze]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Scott is one of the few men out there giving advice to young men without being toxic or misogynistic. So credit to him for that.

Any guy who actually follows his advice will get crushed and just turn to the toxic and misogynistic advice. It only has a market because the platitudes he repeats don’t work. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

37 minutes ago, enchanted said:

Agreed, the has some really good talking points that are worth listening to if you are a guy or you're worried about young guys in your life

I love he expounds on male suicide. I think it is a tragedy that need highlighting more. What makes it extra horrible is it cements the feeling that men are already disposable and worthless - which many men already suffer from. 

I think I am concerned and passionate about this topic, because I see the emotional health of men on construction sites. I've had apprentices unalive themselves. As a woman working in the field with them, and sometimes being hands on with demo, hanging doors and running cable in areas they cannot reach, I participate in the communal comradery & banter Scott speaks about. Its when you are achieving something alongside men, they open up. Just as an off-hand comment here or there. I tend to hear a lot about their personal lives and troubles because I am a woman, and there is more perceived safety opening up to a woman (in my experience, at least). They don't need solutions - I tend to end up talking to them about what they are feeling, deeply probing into it, and revealing what other thoughts arise WITH the feeling and where they could stem from. Feelings are always bundled with thoughts, assumptions, narratives, identity claims and self-concepts. We go into uninspected belief territory often. You can tell when speaking to them, they do not often get into deep personal issues many in their lives.

I enjoy the psychological aspect of it, and it's a huge boon for me in business. I find the guys on site are more motivated, happier and have a genuine desire to do good work, get the job done on time and on budget. All from having a chat about some troubles here and there. The difference is dramatic following some of these spur-of-the moment heart-to-heart chats. I just let them feel seen and heard. I don't think that happens often for a certain breed of man.

Edited 6 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Raze]

21 hours ago, Ulax said:

Biggest thing Scott Galloway does is he is able to talk about male issues in a way that the left don't lose their shit over. That is definitely important.

They’ve actually started attacking him quite a bit recently

https://thespeechprof.substack.com/p/scott-galloway-three-manospheres

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-weekend-essay/what-did-men-do-to-deserve-this

Edited 6 hours ago by Raze

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I love he expounds on male suicide. I think it is a tragedy that need highlighting more. What makes it extra horrible is it cements the feeling that men are already disposable and worthless - which many men already suffer from. 

I think I am concerned and passionate about this topic, because I see the emotional health of men on construction sites. I've had apprentices unalive themselves. As a woman working in the field with them, and sometimes being hands on with demo, hanging doors and running cable in areas they cannot reach, I participate in the communal comradery & banter Scott speaks about. Its when you are achieving something alongside men, they open up. Just as an off-hand comment here or there. I tend to hear a lot about their personal lives and troubles because I am a woman, and there is more perceived safety opening up to a woman (in my experience, at least). They don't need solutions - I tend to end up talking to them about what they are feeling, deeply probing into it, and revealing what other thoughts arise WITH the feeling and where they could stem from. Feelings are always bundled with thoughts, assumptions, narratives, identity claims and self-concepts. We go into uninspected belief territory often. You can tell when speaking to them, they do not often get into deep personal issues many in their lives.

I enjoy the psychological aspect of it, and it's a huge boon for me in business. I find the guys on site are more motivated, happier and have a genuine desire to do good work, get the job done on time and on budget. All from having a chat about some troubles here and there. The difference is dramatic following some of these spur-of-the moment heart-to-heart chats. I just let them feel seen and heard. I don't think that happens often for a certain breed of man.

Wtf? You posted this like 40 seconds after I replied. You type fast.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, Raze said:

They’ve actually started attacking him quite a bit recently

https://thespeechprof.substack.com/p/scott-galloway-three-manospheres

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-weekend-essay/what-did-men-do-to-deserve-this

I came across these also - it is very, very worth it to note that Scott has really ridden the privilege of being able to capitalise on how much easier prosperity was when he was a young man. His generation received handouts and concessions in a way current younger men cannot access as easily. He's a tail end boomer.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Any guy who actually follows his advice will get crushed and just turn to the toxic and misogynistic advice. It only has a market because the platitudes he repeats don’t work. 

Well, Scott is not a dating coach. He offers basic guidance for a casual audience and he mostly bring up the social struggles young men face, which is useful. He does have some decent advice for young men. Is it enough to get you laid? Not per se. He's raising awareness about collective social problems, which is different from tactical dating advice.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[enchanted]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

They’ve actually started attacking him quite a bit recently

https://thespeechprof.substack.com/p/scott-galloway-three-manospheres

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-weekend-essay/what-did-men-do-to-deserve-this

There's hit pieces on mother Theresa and Ghandi. Nobody is perfect. The irony is that Galloway warns us about being the exact type of person you are  @Raze - a chronically online troll who provides negative value to society. 

Edited 4 hours ago by enchanted

[Raze]

2 hours ago, enchanted said:

There's hit pieces on mother Theresa and Ghandi. Nobody is perfect. The irony is that Galloway warns us about being the exact type of person you are  @Raze - a chronically online troll who provides negative value to society. 

Scott has done much more damage to society then I have with what he supports.

Edited 2 hours ago by Raze