Starving Patriarchy

[Wilhelm44]

@Rafael Thundercat, when i watched that woman's video about matriarchy as the next wave of feminism, her energy felt free of anger and i really did sense it was more about egalitarianism. 

The more i listen to you the more i sense a kind of objectifying of "whiteness", "maleness", or "Europeaness" as some kind of problem out there. It feels more like reverse racism to be honest. 

I understand that the divine feminine has been suppressed for thousands of years, and it's natural for there to be a backlash. To me this still feels very much like the backlash phase.

Is this movement coming from a place of love, or is there still an element of revenge there ?

Edited 16 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Willy Phallicus]

9 hours ago, integral said:

I don't know this doesn't seem coherent to me?

Let's try not to go overboard

Sorry, I thought I was on the #1 epistemic rigor forum.  Go take a look at what all these empathic policies have produced.  Then realize the system isnt broken and its designed to be this way.  The chaos is intentional.

Matriarchy doesnt just have a few stated views about the state of things.  Its a full blown agenda with winners and losers.  Anyone endorsing matriarchy as a system that needs implementing to improve life for all is either a jackass or a shill and likely both.

Anyone concerned about equality would be exposing the religion of matriarchy instead of justifying it.  Anyone proposing the idea should be regarded with extreme skepticism and suspicion.  

The Susan B Anthony womens sufferage movement did what it needed to do.  Everything from 1960s onwards, coined third wave feminism, is blatant misandry.  Fuck them.

Edited 13 hours ago by Willy Phallicus

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Willy Phallicus strawman - nice try though. At least try to understand what OP is presenting and try not to bring your loaded definition into play. You misrepresent what is being spoken about.

The links are about egalitarianism over the extremist matriarchal society you are trying to convince yourself is being spoken about.

Ask OP what he means.

And @Rafael Thundercat I think it would be great if you addressed users in writing rather than spam external videos in reply constantly. It'll help your case more for sure.

Edited 12 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Rafael Thundercat]

5 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Is this movement coming from a place of love, or is there still an element of revenge there ?

For some of the most Dicerning voices they say is luckly the movement is more pacific than violent. Violent would be woman learning to poison toxic man or cutting some cocks by surprise. About the cock I think I already heard some cases. Yes woman can be revengfull, but as I said you can find voices that are not the common ragefull feminist. The intelligent ones know that Anger can be a force for creativity or depletion depending on how is applied, so is more about reparation and balance. I will bring here a woman that talks about Chinese Medicine perspective of Society. We basicaly need Yang and Yin, but the case is that we have a lot of Artificial Yang and it took the balance from both Men and Woman since  both carry both energies.

Here is it. And of course is only one perspective. 

She say in the videos is not political or social and I agree there is political and social reasons for what is going on but her perspective is worth seeing

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYXVlqBCFL6/?igsh=c21heDNkZmZ2MThq

@Natasha Tori Maru I will adress member when answering things that I feel are individual and relevant. I will ignore answers that are similar to @Willy Phallicus. The time to give attention and free education to who dont want to learn is over. There are a lot of Content Online to go deep in topics. Guys just need to learn where to search. I am giving my links to at least show my position instead of just strawmaning. Overwall English is not my first language so is extra hard for me to debate Bullshit here.

If you are not tired of it in this Forum I am. I Just remain here in hope some will get the memo. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Rafael Thundercat

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Rafael Thundercat in this instance I understand not engaging with the user in question 👍 it's hard to approach a topic like this in good faith for many users. And when someone strawmans, you already know they have too much certainty to be open to anything new.

I think engaging a bit more in general will help clarify your stance in your own words, as you understand the topic. Because you understand in a unique way that is worth exploring, and it is hard to do that when you link an external video. 

I understand the language barrier, I think you express yourself well. And hey - you are probably doing better than most users here who only know one language 🙃

[enchanted]

7 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Rafael Thundercat, when i watched that woman's video about matriarchy as the next wave of feminism, her energy felt free of anger and i really did sense it was more about egalitarianism. 

The more i listen to you the more i sense a kind of objectifying of "whiteness", "maleness", or "Europeaness" as some kind of problem out there. It feels more like reverse racism to be honest. 

I understand that the divine feminine has been suppressed for thousands of years, and it's natural for there to be a backlash. To me this still feels very much like the backlash phase.

Is this movement coming from a place of love, or is there still an element of revenge there ?

Any woman who isn't prancing around in the woods doing witchcraft and drinking from the streams is supporting the patriarchy. That's just fact. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

7 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

The more i listen to you the more i sense a kind of objectifying of "whiteness", "maleness", or "Europeaness" as some kind of problem out there. It feels more like reverse racism to be honest.

We just need to find out who are in the positions of power today. I mean Power like the sort of Power that can take decisions that affects millions of people, directly of indirectly killing people, exploitng resources, accumulating wealth etc.. is not the case that is mostly White Men with European Lineage? The thing is  ot even just about Race, if we get in the race aspect yes, most are white, in the case of Origin is mostly European and in case if gender are mostly Men. Tell me if the decisory tables are composed by a equal numeber of Males and Females around the decisory tables in the World?

 

8 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I understand that the divine feminine has been suppressed for thousands of years, and it's natural for there to be a backlash. To me this still feels very much like the backlash phase.

I think is more a case of rebalancing forces than backlash. i am a man and even me know that having a male dominated world is not a good ideia. Not saying that males dont have females in their side no matter if the males are pro-equality of powers or not, we see MAGA males and MAGA females 

The tern Divine Feminine is being dismantled by some woman today. Divine Feminine turns to reiforce the Teology of Dominion since there is Divinity involved. What Patriarchy fears are the Wild Feminine. For sure Witch hunters had Religious Pious Women in their side when they hunter women who couldn't comply with their Bullshit.

[Wilhelm44]

20 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

We just need to find out who are in the positions of power today. I mean Power like the sort of Power that can take decisions that affects millions of people, directly of indirectly killing people, exploitng resources, accumulating wealth etc.. is not the case that is mostly White Men with European Lineage? The thing is  ot even just about Race, if we get in the race aspect yes, most are white, in the case of Origin is mostly European and in case if gender are mostly Men. Tell me if the decisory tables are composed by a equal numeber of Males and Females around the decisory tables in the World?

 

I think is more a case of rebalancing forces than backlash. i am a man and even me know that having a male dominated world is not a good ideia. Not saying that males dont have females in their side no matter if the males are pro-equality of powers or not, we see MAGA males and MAGA females 

The tern Divine Feminine is being dismantled by some woman today. Divine Feminine turns to reiforce the Teology of Dominion since there is Divinity involved. What Patriarchy fears are the Wild Feminine. For sure Witch hunters had Religious Pious Women in their side when they hunter women who couldn't comply with their Bullshit.

The point is that when you make these generalizations about whiteness, maleness, Europeaness etc, you are including a whole bunch of men who have nothing to do with the power structures at the top. Ur literally doing racism etc.

[Ulax]

Matriarchy advocates have gotta be satirical

[Basman]

5 hours ago, Ulax said:

Matriarchy advocates have gotta be satirical

They are a parody of themselves 

[Ulax]

3 minutes ago, Basman said:

They are a parody of themselves 

[Rafael Thundercat]

6 hours ago, enchanted said:

 

Any woman who isn't prancing around in the woods doing witchcraft and drinking from the streams is supporting the patriarchy. That's just fact. 

Some Wild Woman are doing way better than many men. Takes humbleness to not be jealous but happy that they ( some of them) are living great lifes. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYUwk9ktSdm/?igsh=NWkzc2M2cGhvbWQ3

Wild Woman dont mean dirty hippies living in lack of resources. Imagine woman thriving. This ones are literally decentering men. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

6 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

The point is that when you make these generalizations about whiteness, maleness, Europeaness etc, you are including a whole bunch of men who have nothing to do with the power structures at the top. Ur literally doing racism etc.

Is hard to understand that is not all man, not all whites and not all European? No it dont take. i know a bunch of great white males from Europe that are doing a different work than the ones that are still sustaining White-Supremacist Capitalistic Patriarchy. 

[Willy Phallicus]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Willy Phallicus strawman - nice try though. At least try to understand what OP is presenting and try not to bring your loaded definition into play. You misrepresent what is being spoken about.

The links are about egalitarianism over the extremist matriarchal society you are trying to convince yourself is being spoken about.

Ask OP what he means.

What strawman? And why would I ask the OP when the OP doesn't have the first clue about what they're into?  Who in their right mind advocates that the solution to extremism is the polar opposite extreme?

One of the links provided is "Why Matriarchy is the next wave of feminism".  If its an egalitarian movement why not just call it the egalitarian movement?  I watched a few minutes of a handful of the videos posted.  Its mostly feels and good intentions with zero vision and no real practical solutions - we're all supposed to just go numb and believe.

The problem with mass movements is the fringe extreme always ends up running it.  Even if Rafael Thundercat personally knows where to draw the line that doesn't the movement cant take on a life of its own so the feminists who want orgies of blood atonement can get their matriarchy.

Start the revolution without me.