Hellen Keller was a fraud

[Basman]

-And I'm tired of pretending she's not.

Just so happens turn into a radical socialist as soon as she's adopted by a pair of hippies, then into a poet for the next one, before completely stopping writing when her last handler doesn't write.

The fact that people get so mad for simply question what is objectively a very sus story with an obvious motive for fraud should signal the sheer amount of cope present. People want to believe. So wrapped up in their "decent human being" larp. And because it really triggers old people and millennials when you discredit HK I'm obligated to do so.

World's greatest twitter handle.

 

[Leo Gura]

Yeah, it goes to show how most parts of history are just parroted, not questioned.

Makes you wonder how much of human history is just made up shit.

Can you imagine what kind of nonsense they made up about the Buddha or Jesus or George Washington?

Great example of conformity and group-think.

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[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Can you imagine what kind of nonsense they made up about the Buddha or Jesus or George Washington?

Will humans make shit about you 1000 years from now? 

"Leo did transform himself into an Alien once, I saw it. Just once though" -- Actualizer

[Leo Gura]

A thousand years from now they will think I'm an angel sent down from the heavens

[Jodistrict]

People were actually more honest and careful in those days during the days when you didn't command your youtube subscribers to hit like and subscribe.

 

is there any evidence that helen keller was a fraud?

"No, there is no credible historical or medical evidence that Helen Keller was a fraud. Extensive primary sources, including medical records, university files from Radcliffe College, peer-reviewed historical research, and eyewitness accounts, verify her deafblindness and her achievements. [1, 2]

Modern allegations of fraud largely originate from viral social media misinformation. Historians and disability advocates classify these modern doubts as forms of ableism, driven by the false premise that a deafblind individual is incapable of high-level communication and literacy. [1, 2, 3]"

Viral Misinformation: Platforms like TikTok generated viral trends under hashtags like #HelenKellerWasntReal. These videos claim her existence or her books were entirely fabricated."

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

No, there is no credible historical or medical evidence that Helen Keller was a fraud.

This is false.

Watch the video.

The evidence of fraud is every blatant. Not from her, but from her caretakers.

People with her condition do not grow up to be great authors because it is virtually impossible. She did not have the physical ability to write the things she is credited for.

She was the original example of using AI to write your books for you and then claiming you wrote it.

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[Jodistrict]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

This is false.

Watch the video.

The evidence of fraud is every blatant. Not from her, but from her caretakers.

People with her condition do not grow up to be great authors because it is virtually impossible. She did not have the ability to write the things she is credited for.

I watched the video and he presented no evidence of fraud.  He is just using speculation to say it couldn't happen.  It's a conspiracy theory like flat earth.  As for credibility, comparing a carefully documented story in the 1940s, when honesty standards were still high, versus social media slop - it's not even close. 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

he presented no evidence of fraud.

Yes he did.

Her caretakers were obviously writing for her.

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[Jodistrict]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes he did.

Her caretakers were obviously writing for her.

He mentioned one plagarism scandel that has been extensively reviewed by historians.  Even Mark Twain defended them both.  Helen Keller continued her prolific writings for 30 years after the death of Anne Sullivan.  

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

He mentioned one plagarism scandel that has been extensively reviewed by historians.  Even Mark Twain defended them both.

Why would Mark Twain not have been duped along with everyone else? How could Mark Twain know? He didn't have all the facts. He wanted the legend to be true as much as everyone else.

The issue isn't plagiarism. The issue is that her caretakers were doing all the physical writing for her and injecting their own heavy interpretations and polish on everything she said. This was not a single incident, this was her entire lifestyle, origin story, and legend.

Imagine if I had all my work edited by a secret nameless worldclass author and then presented it as my own. That would be fraud.

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Helen Keller continued her prolific writings for 30 years after the death of Anne Sullivan.  

But it was never at the same level of quality/depth. And who was her replacement?

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[Leo Gura]

I should buy a chimpanzee, put his name on all my work, and then tour the country with my legendary, epistemic genius chimpanzee.

I shall name him Coco.

Coco the first chimpanzee to teach humans epistemology

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[Jodistrict]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I should buy a chimpanzee, put his name on all my work, and then tour the country with my legendary, epistemic genius chimpanzee.

I shall name him Coco.

Coco the first chimpanzee to teach humans epistemology

You don't have proof for what you said.  It is based on a prejudice that a severly handicapped person (compared to a monkey) can't produce anything of value.

We are entering the post truth era.  There are millions of people who now believe that AI slop is reality and that made up images are real.  This should be the real concern.  

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

based on a prejudice that a severly handicapped person (compared to a monkey) can't produce anything of value.

Dude, the above video beautifully presents the evidence and the case. You are choosing to deny it.

You are defending the claim that a completely blind woman wrote epic poetry about the colors of a sunset. This is absurd. She clearly could not write that. She had no way of knowing what colors are. Or she wasn't blind.

Another possibility is that her handicaps were grossly exaggerated. Perhaps she wasn't truly blind or deaf. People love to exaggerate handicaps too because it makes them seem more impressive than they are.

And I am very vocal about the evils of AI slop.

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[Jodistrict]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, the above video beautifully presents the evidence and the case. You are choosing to deny it.

You are defending the claim that a completely blind woman wrote epic poetry about the colors of a sunset. This is absurd. She clearly could not write that. She had no way of knowing what colors are. Or she wasn't blind.

Another possibility is that her handicaps were grossly exaggerated. Perhaps she wasn't truly blind. People love to exaggerate handicaps too because it makes them seem more impressive than they are.

She utlilized tactile analogies, sensory translations, and an extensive mastery of descriptive language taught to her by her instructor Anne Sullivan. By the way, this has been extensively documented and the information is out there.  That is why she was famous.  

"I am Blind - Yet I see, I am Deaf - Yet I Hear"

https://helenkellerarchive.afb.org/?a=d&d=A-HK02-B225-F03-005.1.1

 

 

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[Leo Gura]

@Jodistrict That is exactly what is being disputed here.

"Taught to her" is a very loaded phrase.

I could "teach" a parrot to speak epistemology at you. That doesn't make the parrot a genius.

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[Leo Gura]

Reminds me of this kid

 

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[Jodistrict]

Hellen Keller met with Albert Einstein twice and he recognized her as an intellectual peer.    

The video of this post is classical conspiracy theory.  It's like the videos saying man didn't land on the moon because of a shadow in an image couldn't have been caste that way on the moon.  But if you would ask a NASA engineer he would give you the explanation.   

These conspiracy theories give easy money to unscrupulous scammers.   That guy is just repeating what has already spread on the Internet.   But few people will actually dig into the archives to find the truth.  Social media is trash and is degrading our civilization.   

[Leo Gura]

26 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

That guy is just repeating

That guy is not an ideological actor. He does quite good and fair research.

[Jodistrict]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That guy is not an ideological actor. He does quite good and fair research.

His research was looking at tic tok videos.  

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

His research was looking at tic tok videos.  

That is not how he does research.