the biggest flaw in the nonduality teachings

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

What about appreciating to time that you breathe while dying?

Remember what You are, actually never forget. 

From nothing, there is a body, even suffering is a gift. 

It’s a subjective opinion.

 

What’s better? What’s worse?

1: To have never been born.
Or
2: To be conscious of sensation. 
 

Is there even a choice? Is there any consent? 
 

It both horrific and magnificent. 
 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

A Nondualist’s job identity card. 
 

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[Mellowmarsh]

A Nondualist’s Cat.

 

 

[VeganAwake]

Interesting to hear non-duality referred to as a teaching.

The words meaning is pointing to everything as one without a second, all encompassing, nothing excluded.

It insinuates the bodies natural tendency to separate, categorize, individualize, personalize and attempt to control its surroundings is just an egoic survival strategy/instinct the body develops from birth.

There's nothing right or wrong with it. Nonduality is just pointing out that that sense of being a separate self is ultimately illusory. 

At a certain time in human evolution it was crucial and it is still significant to a certain extent today regarding the body's survival. 

The apparent issue is that sense of self/survival mechanism doesn't have an adjustable switch. It just runs rampant like the energizer bunny. It takes over and becomes an entity in of itself.

It creates a rather threatening, scary, self centered experience of reality.  (matrix)

A nondual awakening would imply a recognition or seeing through these mechanisms of illusory separation.

[Mellowmarsh]

34 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

A nondual awakening would imply a recognition or seeing through these mechanisms of illusory separation.

There could also be a simple recognition of your life as a baby,  a time you had zero comprehension of separation, or even existing at all.
 

Do babies have nondual awakenings, not really.

So how did the idea of separation come about, exactly?

The separation came about when you realised you’d been given a name known as your personal identity.

The separation became so deeply imprinted into your mind that it felt normal and right. But for some people there’s an instinctive feeling that  something feels very off about being separate.

My own feeling came very early in life, I just spontaneously remembered that everyone of us started life as a baby, who knew nothing about separation or had any idea or concept of itself existing as a separate being distinct from it’s parents. 
 

That was my personal recognition of oneness, anyway. 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:56 PM by Mellowmarsh

[No1Here2c]

If you wish to wake up you better be sleeping.

[No1Here2c]

We all know how awake it is to feel inside a dream.

[Mellowmarsh]

11 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

We all know how awake it is to feel inside a dream.

I like that one. ☝️ 

 

It’s hard to get a handle on what’s happening from inside a dream. 

[No1Here2c]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

It’s hard to get a handle on what’s happening from inside a dream. 

Up until the moment where you wake up. From where it all comes immediately clear. 

But what do you wake up to?

That is the question. Can you wake up to anything more than just another dream?

[Mellowmarsh]

On 13/05/2026 at 3:45 PM, No1Here2c said:

Up until the moment where you wake up. From where it all comes immediately clear. 

But what do you wake up to?

That is the question. Can you wake up to anything more than just another dream?

You wake up to infinite imagination within a finite body. 

[Mellowmarsh]

On 13/05/2026 at 3:45 PM, No1Here2c said:

Up until the moment where you wake up. From where it all comes immediately clear. 

But what do you wake up to?

That is the question. Can you wake up to anything more than just another dream?

Where do we go upon cessation of the body…My gut feeling tells me that because I am here now alive , then I must have always been here now alive. Not as a body but as something that is aware of a body as a human physical experience . And so only aliveness seems to exist because nonexistence itself cannot actually be consciously experienced, because experience requires awareness. Experience then is all that is ever known as this direct aware aliveness that is always now. 
 

I honestly believe that there’s no such thing as death.

[No1Here2c]

It seems to me, that in our essence of pure consciousness, pure aliveness, awareness itself, can never die.

The body, the physical world of constructs, & most important the self identity in association with, can all fall away, but our immediate presence, which is the 'container' for all of the limited form which composes this identity, never can dissipate. As even dissipation is itself a construct, a divided form, held within awareness.

Edited 3 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

But what is Awareness?

What is that Pure Aliveness?

What is Consciousness itself?

[No1Here2c]

What does the term essence attempt to point toward?

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Where do we go upon cessation of the body

We will disappear. What we are is a process that is happening, the reality in the form of a process that is conscious of itself and has an identity as an individual who knows that is.

When the process finish, bye, no more you. The reality will exist for ever of course, but not you, or at least it seems the most logical possibility.

You could say that you will exist as anything else, as me now for example, but not as you. In other words, the separation will collapse and with it, the consciousness of yourself as a separate being, then you will return to the totality, but the totality is not someone who will say: fuck, now Im the totality! No, the totality is unlimited and is the totality now, with and without you. 

Then, what will happen? We will expand to infinity and disappear as a conscious individual who knows. But same time we will exist, because now we are the totality expressed in a process. If fact we will not go nowhere, just here and now, like always. 

 

[No1Here2c]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

We will disappear. What we are is a process that is happening, the reality in the form of a process that is conscious of itself and has an identity as an individual who knows that is.

When the process finish, bye, no more you.

^ This is relative to identification with limited form. You are the totality regardless. Right now.

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

the totality is unlimited and is the totality now, with and without you. 

expand to infinity 

disappear as a conscious individual

exist

the totality

here and now,

always. 

Identify with totality as it sits this very instance.

Edited 3 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

This is relative to identification with limited form. You are the totality regardless. Right now.

Sure, but how is being the totality when the form disappears? Is something let's say, that knows that is? That is conscious of itself? Then the totality would be an individual. The totality is beyond consciousness or unconsciousness right? Its not infinite consciousness, omniscience, etc , it's just unlimited being. Disappear in the bottomless abyss of the unlimited must be done with total surrender, happiness and faith imo. Faith not as a belief in a future but as the certainly that you are disappearing in yourself. 

[No1Here2c]

Drop dead this very second within the space behind the eyes. Slip down that valley just over the precipice. The fall never ends.

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Drop dead this very second within the space behind the eyes. Slip down that valley just over the precipice. The fall never ends.

26 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

 

You will be still conscious of yourself in deep meditation, high dose of psychedelics of anything that you could do, it's not the same than being dead. 

[No1Here2c]

34 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You will be still conscious of yourself in deep meditation, high dose of psychedelics of anything that you could do, it's not the same than being dead. 

Not sure what you're smoking but it must not work.

You are one of those people who think caffeine is the be all end all of consciousness work.
"Oh yup, my morning Joe, thats as deep as it goes!"

Hey I mean, we all have different systems, If people are out here communing with the divine all day off their double dose of coffee, I want in :}
"Give me a double shot espresso with a pinch of Divinity please"

A high enough dose of anything will let you meet your maker.

Edited 2 hours ago by No1Here2c