the biggest flaw in the nonduality teachings

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Occurence is Infinity

Occurrence is Beauty

Occurrence is Love

Structure & occurrence are identical

But not the deepest levels of Beauty/Love/Infinity

Consciousness Is the absolute ground for all structure & occurnece.

Consciousness cannot be collapsed.

What about pain?

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

The mind and the self that desires and fears are expressions of reality. They are as real as the body or anything else that exists.

Spirituality denies the self as an illusion, but it doesn't deny the body because it is tangible. This is a primitive and deceptive way of thinking.

The self is reality expressed as self, and its impulse and focus are those of reality. To deny it is to deny reality, and moreover, the one who denies it is the self.

So called spirituality is not about denying or accepting, or not about not denying or not accepting.

 Therefore, any word, thinking, movement belongs to body, not only Body, universe itself. Body is exist with the sun, air, water etc... therefore, body movement is with the entire universe.

The matrix is it's own, belongs to itself. 

[No1Here2c]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Do you mean like a wall? A wall that can be built and dismantled both?

Yes a wall. A chair. A book. A screen.

So too thought, emotion, intuition, abstract mind.

All structure.

Pure Imagination is the source of all structure.

[No1Here2c]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

What about pain?

Just another occurence.

Of the exact same source & nature as all other. Only differing in quality & appearance.

Edited 6 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Yes a wall. A chair. A book. A screen.

So too thought, emotion, intuition, abstract mind.

All structure.

Pure Imagination is the source of all structure.

Okay. 

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Just another occurence.

Of the exact same source & nature as all other. Only differing in quality & appearance.

Did source and nature choose to experience pain.. Do you know?

[No1Here2c]

18 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Just another occurence.

Of the exact same source & nature as all other. Only differing in quality & appearance.

Which is to say that it is not distinct or other.

Only from relative perspective is it distinct. That distinction too must collapse. 

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Did source and nature choose to experience pain.. Do you know?

The notion of 'choice' is of egoic perspective.

'Choice' is itself a differentiation, created through 'Imaginative force'.

Edited 6 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

The notion of 'choice' is of egoic perspective.

Isn’t ego an attribute of source and nature, inseparable from? 

[No1Here2c]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Isn’t ego an attribute of source and nature, inseparable from? 

Ego, being a part contained within the whole, inseparable from, acting in unison. 

That does not mean ego is the highest perspective that exists.

Edited 5 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Yeah sure, being a part contained within the whole, inseparable from, acting in unison. 

That does not mean ego is the highest perspective that exists.

But choosing is still part of the process of source and nature expression?

[No1Here2c]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

But choosing is still part of the process of source and nature expression?

Infinity

Infinity is Infinity

Everything you know & love is less than a pinprick on the surface of this bottomless iceberg.

[No1Here2c]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Infinity

Infinity is Infinity

Everything you know & love is less than a pinprick on the surface of this bottomless iceberg.

This includes all notions of choice & choosing.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Infinity

Infinity is Infinity

Everything you know & love is less than a pinprick on the surface of this bottomless iceberg.

Okay, I suppose knowing that is some comfort. I just sometimes think it’s unbearable being conscious of the horror side of nature, I can’t even imagine what wildlife must go through to survive, no one comes to their aid like they do in the human realm.

[No1Here2c]

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Okay, I suppose knowing that is some comfort. I just sometimes think it’s unbearable being conscious of the horror side of nature, I can’t even imagine what wildlife must go through to survive, no one comes to their aid like they do in the human realm.

All of this is a pinprick within the pinprick of your entire life as you know it.

Comfort is the very tip of a leaf on a fern branching infinitely outward. 

So too is horror, survival, aid, human realm, nature, and everything else you know and love.

All those words & associated meanings are a function of ego's limited imagination, as an infinitesmal aspect of Infinity.

Edited 5 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

Infinity is the set of all sets, but human beings cannot grasp what that truly means. Human Imagination as a subset of Infinite Imagination will never grasp the entirety without its own transcendence.

[Mellowmarsh]

@No1Here2c yes, I understand what you’re saying, but the ego only knows the limits, it cannot get beyond its limits, ever, as no ego knows what lies beyond the limits, if anything at all, perhaps it’s just wishful thinking. All we have tasted is limitation. How could there be anything more than limitation. I just sometimes think it’s unacceptable to witness the horror that is part of conscious existence. Yes, it’s beautiful too, but beauty fades and horror doesn’t. 

[No1Here2c]

5 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Infinity is the set of all sets, but human beings cannot grasp what that truly means. Human Imagination as a subset of Infinite Imagination will never grasp the entirety without its own transcendence.

Upon which it is no longer human imagination.

Needless to say, but I shall explicate for redundancy.

Edited 5 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

@No1Here2c yes, I understand what you’re saying, but the ego only knows the limits, it cannot get beyond its limits, ever, as no ego knows what lies beyond the limits, if anything at all, perhaps it’s just wishful thinking. All we have tasted is limitation. How could there be anything more than limitation. I just sometimes think it’s unacceptable to witness the horror that is part of conscious existence. Yes, it’s beautiful too, but beauty fades and horror doesn’t. 

Horror is only horror when you have something to defend.

Beauty is unbreakable.

Beauty is absolute.

Ego will not grasp this.

That must be grasped at the level of consciousness itself.

Call it intuitive grasping below the level of selfhood.

Edited 5 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Beauty is unbreakable.

Beauty is absolute.

Ego will not grasp this. Horror is only horror when you have something to defend.

That must be grasped at the level of consciousness itself.

Call it intuitive grasping below the level of selfhood.

Okay, I’m trying to understand this. Thanks for your patience and time. 
 

Im going to have a nap, be back later, or maybe tomorrow..bye for now.

[No1Here2c]

When shit hits the fan,

Will I think, "oh! well how wonderful & beautiful this is"

No.

Most certainly not.

But Absolute Beauty can be understood from a perspective which runs deeper than the ego or human mind.