the biggest flaw in the nonduality teachings

[No1Here2c]

16 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

But why would you need to smoke LSD or DMT etc… if Love is Nothing. What would smoking reveal Nothing, and what’s the point in that?

You dont need to.

you could if you would like.

you probably 'should' because the mind is caught up in somethingness. 

The compound itself is only a key in order to Free the mind of its own artifactual streaks.

So that the limited mind too can melt into formlessness.

Merge the mind experientially with the open expanse.

Dissolve all the structures of the mind such that you may see how illusory they truly are within the field of consciousness.

Ultimately to dissolve 'the mind' itself as it is understood.

As the entrire mind is itself a structure, which must be dissolved. It will. In due time, willingly or not.

Edited 3 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

2 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Dissolve all the structures of the mind such that you may see how illusory they truly are within the field of consciousness.

Only they dont feel to be illusion. They feel as truly solid barriers. The rigidity of mind can be altered in the snap of a second under the right influence.

Consciousness can come to recognize itself this way 

Edited 3 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

The container is 'different' in Nature than the structure. The Nature of the container is Limitlessness.

Ultimately that distinction too collapses. But how else do we get you to see it?

22 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

 

If the container is limitlessness it's not a container, container implies a limit. 

14 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

We must set up imaginary distinctions so that they may all be collapsed into union.

Then why do you want that they collapse into union if they doesn't exist? Why are you telling me that I'm trapped if there are no distinctions between anything? 

So, if anyone says anything, you arrive fast without any nuance saying that he's wrong and trapped because he's making distinctions and awakening is unity. Then you make the distinction between being awake or bounded. 

Can you understand that that's irritating to read again and again?

 

[No1Here2c]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

If the container is limitlessness it's not a container, container implies a limit. 

Now you are starting to grasp.

Dont get caught up grasping though!

[No1Here2c]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Now you are starting to grasp.

Dont get caught up grasping though!

It is that within which all grasping occurs

[No1Here2c]

Take your hand, grasp an object. Where does that occur?

Not where do you think it occurs

Not where you imagine it to occur

Where does it actually occur?

[Mellowmarsh]

26 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

You dont need to.

you could if you would like.

you probably 'should' because the mind is caught up in somethingness. 

Why are you saying I should when I already understand what nothing means.
And I’m not caught up in somethingness as you assume?

So give me another reason why I should smoke LSD?

 

[No1Here2c]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

I already understand what nothing means.

That is why you should

[No1Here2c]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I’m not caught up in somethingness as you assume?

If you are here typing this you are caught up in somethingness. Consciously or not.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

That is why you should

Why though, tell me why I should? Do you know why you smoke LSD… If you do, then tell me why you smoke it?

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

If you are here typing this you are caught up in somethingness. Consciously or not.

I’m not caught in something if I can consciously be aware of nothing. I can equally be caught up in nothing too. 

[Mellowmarsh]

17 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Take your hand, grasp an object. Where does that occur?

Not where do you think it occurs

Not where you imagine it to occur

Where does it actually occur?

In the occurrence. 

[No1Here2c]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I can equally be caught up in nothing too. 

Nothing is not a thing to be caught up in. Nothing cannot get caught up. Nothing is Limitless Freedom. 

 

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I’m not caught in something

By typing these words you disprove the claim.

Quote

In the occurrence. 

And the occurrence is?

Edited 2 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Mellowmarsh]

14 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Nothing is not a thing to be caught up in. Nothing cannot get caught up. Nothing is Limitless Freedom. 

So there’s no thing that is limitless freedom. So then what gets caught up in some thing if there’s no thing to get caught up ?

Edited 2 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Breakingthewall]

41 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Now you are starting to grasp.

Dont get caught up grasping though!

You are so profound and your advices are so generous 

 

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

So there’s no thing that is limitless freedom. So then what gets caught up in some thing if there’s no thing to get caught up ?

There is a thing, the form, and is caught in the desire of preservation that is inherent to the form autopreserved that we call life. You could say that this is nothing to feel profound, but still it is

[Mellowmarsh]

20 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Nothing is not a thing to be caught up in. Nothing cannot get caught up. Nothing is Limitless Freedom. 

 

By typing these words you disprove the claim.

And the occurrence is?

By typing these words I can also claim this something is nothing, because I wouldn’t be able to know what something means without also knowing what nothing means.

And the occurrence is occurring as the concept is known. When the concept is already known, why question what it is? 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

As the entrire mind is itself a structure, which must be dissolved.

What is a structure, exactly?

Is it a physical object, or something else?

[Olaf]

@No1Here2c and @Breakingthewall I don't look on this forum for a few hours and come back with 77 message of you guys having a nonduality fight hahahahaha I still don't see a solution for making nonduality free from narcissism (god complex and spiritual ego) if anyone has an answer let me know

[James123]

9 hours ago, Olaf said:

Most teachings around spirituality are a bit the same. Basically `I AM` resting in that awareness, isness. You are God, that is the teaching, you are awareness itself, not the body, mind or ego. Although this is quite factual, in the sense that you are connected to God and that when you rest in awareness and be in your being state, that you access higher consciousness. That doesn´t mean now you have no human limitations anymore. The problem with the teachings as of now, is that it is an easy bypassing of all human things. Not just making money, what is an obvious one, but what I see in spiritual people I have been around that follow these teachings, is that everything is a sign, everything is connected, everything is one, everything is perfect, SO I don´t have to focus on this or that or sus or so. You don't have to work on that trauma, you don't have to work on your narcissistic or codependent tendencies, you don't have to focus on improving your communication or relationships. You don´t have to focus on making money, cause its ego and your not the ego you are I AM. Yet God is not gonna make money for you, make you survive, that is all up to you as a human self, because even tho you ARE in reality not human, you still HAVE a human body, a human mind, a human ego to protect the mind and body. 

So the problem I see with the teachings around nonduality is that they create a sweet escape, but that some things in life shouldn´t be escaped, unless you want to escape life altogether and die, but that is not what I think most people want. So as long as you want to live in this body, you will have to acknowledge that you do have a mind, body, ego and that its going nowhere anytime soon. So we can care all the time if I come from ego or not, but that is a pointless game, cause you are coming from ego anyways, even when we think we don´t, the escapism towards nonduality in itself is ego, you think God, consciousness itself would care if you are enlightened or not? No only you care, because you don't want to suffer, you want to escape, you want to not deal with your problems. And if everything is already perfect, one, God, then what is the point of dealing with your problems, you have transcended them and your human life doesn't matter anyway, cause your God. See, that is how nonduality fools you, it makes your ego, human body and human mind things to be transcended instead of to work with. 

In fact, it will deem it as evil, but if it were truly evil, then we should all kill ourselves now. What I think is more evil is act like you're dead and just living in the "I AM" your now consciousness and then being unaware that you have a body, mind and ego. Then you get some type of God complex where you think no human limitations matter to you, you are above that petty game, you are now high conscious, you can just attract it, manifest what you want, you can just call upon angels or your higher self for anything you need. I AM NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING, the universe provides! Well, even if that La La Land story were true, you would still be stuck in this human vessel, you still have to go to the toilet, go do the dishes, get groceries, eat, sleep, repeat, all that human stuff. You think a God makes grocery lists?? 

So I think its time for everyone, including me, to get off their high horse, just cause your having the capability to access higher consciousness, doesn't mean you are a walking, living God and that now with your newfound enlightenment you are invincible. You cannot even get to talk with a toothache, a small tiny tooth could trouble you all week and still you believe you are a walking living God? If you get sick, you have to go to the hospital to get help, you couldn't help yourself and you claim to be a God? No, we can access God, connect to God, be one with God, but if you truly wanted to be one with God all the time, in every moment, you should be dead as only a dead men is truly without ego, body and mind. 

Body is empty. There is not a you in it. Only attachment to thinking.

[Olaf]

@James123 even if everything is one, that doesn't mean you don't have a body, mind, organism that wants to survive, called ego. Ego is in resistance towards dying continuously, try to kill an insect and see how it defends itself or runs, flies away, we are not any better then that, thinking your above that is only arrogance or a serious suicidal tendency, because if you were above that, you would be dead. So to claim your one with God is only partly true, partly your stuck with an ego, body, mind till you die, before death you can only have a momentary escape, till you need to work and pay your bills or take care of other responsibilities, like going to the toilet and taking a giant shit.