Emptiness & Nirvana

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

it can be tested directly. Right now existentially ..what is your true essence? What are you ? 
 

The reality manifested in a process that is happening, like anything else

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

the true essence is always the case because it is true . It isn’t true conditionally

When we talk about "true", or "absolute", it means unlimited. Limited is made by limitation, for example if you perceive yourself as pain, or sadness, or anything concrete. The point of meditation is open yourself to the unlimited, that means the relaxation of all the limits. When you are the witness of the thoughts there is a limit between you and the thoughts 

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

it can be tested directly. Right now existentially ..what is your true essence? What are you ? 
 

 

1- the true essence is always the case because it is true . It isn’t true conditionally.

2- you can’t collapse something which doesn’t exist . If you collapse the subject-object duality you are saying this duality was real in the first place .

He is correct from what I expereince. You believe in separation and so you see it everywhere. It is non-existent. It needs collapsing. This is the work.

Witness/awareness is indeed duality. But it is the stepping-stone. It is the pre-requisite. It is the most you can do. It is an abidance in peace and a non-resistance of all that is. Then reality rushes in to your aid to shower you with truth and grace. You have become a fit vessel.

[No1Here2c]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

When you are the witness of the thoughts there is a limit between you and the thoughts 

To witness thoughts is to be consciously unified with them. Any limit, or separation you feel, is itself illusory.

Imaginary separation, All distinction Imaginated.

Thoughts play into this sense, but it goes much deeper than the surface layer of cognition alone. The power of imagined distinction is capable of degrees of intensity that a human would call 'physical'. That is how deep distinction goes.

~♤~

In regard to point #2, there seems not to exist even a 'collapser' of distinction. As to exist one who collapses distinction, would itself need be a distinguished element within the unified conscious field.

Conscious field in perfect union is finality.

Yet it always has deeper layers.

Finality is but the beginning.

Paradox is as Nature.

Wholistic perspective recognizes all parts, & yet remains as one.

True essence is the formless expanse. The 'space' within which all Imagation arises. Space which itself is an imagined feature. 

True essence, the freedom expanse, is not bound by three dimensions. It expands 'outwards' & 'inwards' in every 'possible' way, & every 'impossible' way.

This is Infinity. This is Love. This is Beauty.

True Love. Absolute Beauty. Formless Infinity.

Far 'deeper' than emotion could touch.

 

[No1Here2c]

4 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

illusory.

Imaginary separation, All distinction Imaginated.

True Love. Absolute Beauty. Formless Infinity.

Ultimately, this is not to be grasped by human cognitive faculties.

Consciousness must intuitively 'come to know' itself by simply being itself.

Intuitive grasping.

Translation, transcription, & attempts at communication become the only 'useful' aspects of human mind. Human mind itself, cannot grasp this.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

Imagination is the substance of your dreams you understand.

The very experiences which appear as 'real' while they are occuring, yet are revealed as Imagination upon Awakening. 

Dreams are real. For a dream to occur billions of neural connection are happening. A dream Is as real as a stone or a Galaxy, there are no categories of reality. Maybe for you as a human a dream has no consequences and a stone in your head yes, but that doesn't implies that one is more rela than other 

[No1Here2c]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Dreams are real.

How 'real' is a Dream upon Awakening?

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

For a dream to occur billions of neural connection are happening. A dream Is as real as a stone or a Galaxy, there are no categories of reality. Maybe for you as a human a dream has no consequences and a stone in your head yes, but that doesn't implies that one is more rela than other 

This is your dream.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

To witness thoughts is to be consciously unified with them. Any limit, or separation you feel, is itself illusory.

Any limit is real since it's happening. If you create a limit between the observer and the object, the limit is happening and has consequences. Maybe it's not absolute, can be dissolved, but until you dissolve it, it is. Labelling everything as illusory is just a mental complication without any utility. 

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

True essence is the formless expanse. The 'space' within which all Imagation arises. Space which itself is an imagined feature. 

True essence, the freedom expanse, is not bound by three dimensions. It expands 'outwards' & 'inwards' in every 'possible' way, & every 'impossible' way.

This is Infinity. This is Love. This is Beauty.

This could sounds like poetry, but is meaningless in the sense that divide the true essence (the screen) and the form. This is non dualistic spirituality.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

How 'real' is a Dream upon Awakening?

This is your dream.

It's exactly as real than being awake, but in another state. Don't you see that you are dividing the reality in categories, putting a higher category the label of "truth", and lower category the label of "dream"?

Edited 7 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[No1Here2c]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe it's not absolute, can be dissolved, but until you dissolve it, it is.

So than what are you waiting for?

If it is so simple just do it.

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's exactly as real than being awake, but in another state. Don't you see that you are dividing the reality in categories, putting a higher category the label of "truth", and lower category the label of "dream"?

I ask specifically,

How real is a dream upon Awakening?

 Not how real while you are in it.

[No1Here2c]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This is non dualistic spirituality.

Answer your own questions. Do me a favor. Keep it up!

Spirituality=Nondual

Edited 7 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

@Breakingthewall

You must be busy with those chakras & tarot cards ay?

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

How real is a dream upon Awakening?

 Not how real while you are in it.

Both are real. There is not "how real". How real is a stone in comparison with a planet? Exactly in the same level: real. A dream is happening due countless of relationship between fields, etc, same than anything else. 

Spirituality is not that mess, is being open to your total nature, that is the nature of everything, that is the absence of limits that is. But you are open to it from a limited structure or process that is happening now that is your human nature. Nothing is a "dream" , thats just obscurantist spirituality that confuses everyone 

[No1Here2c]

We speak of exactly the same thing.

Our maps are simply different.

[No1Here2c]

3 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

Answer your own questions. Do me a favor. Keep it up!

Spirituality=Nondual

Not exactly sure what you feel is a mess about this.

[No1Here2c]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

being open to your total nature, that is the nature of everything, that is the absence of limits that is.

Dream

Imagination

That is the absence of limits