Emptiness & Nirvana

[Someone here]

The realization of emptiness is both liberating and terrifying. Emptiness means the true nature of all things is devoid of any substance. It doesn’t mean things do not exist or are illusory or that existence is like a black blank dark silent empty room .  Everything in existence exists exactly as is right here right now . But the substance of all forms is formlessness.
When you experience a restless mind or uncomfortable stream of thoughts and you can’t sleep because of that then here is what you gotta do . Don’t try to silence the mind . The mind can’t shut up. Thoughts flow like a river. It’s silly to try to stop the river . Instead you should sit and watch the water flowing and watch the thoughts moving without reaction . Why is this difficult? Because the voice in your head is not you . It’s what’s  been programmed into your mind since you were a child being displayed on repeat . When you observe the mind thinking and you just watch thoughts come and go you will experience difficulties. You will want to engage with thoughts . Why ? Because what remains when you leave the mind alone and just exist as you are as awareness? You see emptiness. You see inside of your being emptiness. There is no one there inside of your being . Just a silent nonpartisan awareness. And its nature is empty . Try this right now :sit in a silent room comfortably and still your body completely and ignore your mind chatter completely. But remain alert . What is found in that space you just allowed ? Literally emptiness. This terrifies you because it’s boring . Your true nature is total blankness. And you can’t stand hearing the sound of silence. You want to engage with the thoughts . Because if you didn’t you will be empty and bored . This is just the tip of the iceberg of the emptiness.if you stay in that meditation long enough just being empty you will fall asleep and enter into the core of your being and the absolute nature of existence which is pure emptiness or pure formlessness which we call deep sleep. In deep sleep there is no mind chatter and there is no sensory experience of any kind  .it’s not dark or black . It’s literally complete empty void . This void can be liberating when you realize it to be who you are or it can be terrifying.

 Here is how to cure insomnia: When your mind is restless and filled with uncomfortable thoughts and  when you can’t sleep..the solution is not to try to silence it. The mind does not simply stop. Thoughts flow like a river ..and trying to stop them is as futile as trying to stop the flow.

Instead sit and observe. Watch the flow of thoughts without reacting to them. the voice in your head is not truly “you.” It is a collection conditioning and programming accumulated memories since childhood repeating themselves automatically. When you begin to observe your thoughts without engaging you will feel a strong urge to get involved again.

Why? 

What remains when you let the mind be and rest as pure awareness? You encounter emptiness. There is no solid “self” at the center only a quiet empty being  .

Try this: sit comfortably in a quiet room. Keep your body still. Let the mind chatter continue but do not engage with it. Stay alert.

What do you find in that space?

Emptiness. Isn’t it ? Nothing .

This can feel simply boring. The mind resists silence. It wants stimulation ..distraction..involvement..music ..food..doomscrolling ..anything. Without these things you are left with a sense of blankness and this can be uncomfortable.

But here is the key point:  this emptiness is also called Nirvana. Absolute bliss and happiness. Not pleasure or excitement but serenity and blissfullness . Consider Deep sleep . It’s pure effortless serenity. That’s nirvana . That’s what you are at the core of your being . If you reject it or don’t accept it or find it boring or terrifying then you will suffer . If you accept it and fall in love with who you are then you will be happy.

 Stop fearing sleep as if it’s non existence. ..deep sleep: it is completely free of struggle. There is nothing to desire ..nothing to resist. It is pure rest. 

 Like I said If you reject it if you find it boring or frightening you will continue to suffer constantly seeking distraction. But if you accept it and come to recognize it as what you truly are it can become a source of profound peace which nothing else in this world of form can offer .

 

 

[Someone here]

@No1Here2c the river cannot be stopped. You swim with the current in total surrender or you attempt the impossible by trying to stop the flow .

[Someone here]

@No1Here2c that’s irrelevant to OP and the insight I’m sharing . Thank you .

[Willy Phallicus]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

What do you find in that space?

Me

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Me

Yes and "Me” is pure emptiness. There is nothing there at the deepest core of your being . And this terrifies you.

[Hojo]

I think you should be feeling in your body like you are going down the highway with the windows down.

[Mellowmarsh]

9 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

I made no such claims. I simply observed the fact of the river of spilling out into the open ocean.

Worth finding if you can.

The river flowing to the ocean source is a constant seamless flux of source to source. There’s no break in symmetry.

There’s no ‘I’  getting caught in the eddies or making grinding noises in an effort to resist the flow by means of stopping to find or look for it.
Life is already and always is as fluid, never solid, effortlessly carving its way through any obstruction and doesn’t need an ‘I’  to function.

There’s no observer named ‘I’ watching itself. There’s simply empty looking upon empty concepts as this artificial conception. 
 

There’s no one writing these words. One is writing these words, there’s no other one.

No one reading these words, One is reading these words, there is no other one.
 

Edited 22 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Breakingthewall]

@Someone here

What you're talking about is a good level of meditation. What you're doing is real meditation, opening yourself to what is now. But let's see, when you say that there's emptiness inside you if thoughts stop, that can be nuanced. When the mind stops completely and you perceive yourself as a process unfolding now, at a certain point reality loses its dual dimension, "inside you," "your thoughts."

There is no longer an inside or outside, no limits restricting anything. Then you are floating in the abyss that is this moment, and at a certain point, you are this moment, without any interpretation or barrier, completely clear, pure.

When you can reach this point naturally, that's when it gets difficult, at least for me. In this absolute moment, there is one last barrier. Poetically speaking, your heart is closed, and it is because you are afraid, because you cling to the fact of being you, to the control of what is.

The challenge is to open yourself, to let go of that last control, to break free from form and be pure substance without restrictions. This is enlightenment, nothing less. It is access to the Tao, to the source, and you cannot think or remember, you can only be now. It's not "nothing ", it's unlimited, it's everything. Then the door closes up, and you perceive the closure in you, in your body, in your heart, but anyway you can't open it. A lot of adjustments must be done to align yourself, at least it's what I feel, what I'm doing, the path that I choose

Edited 7 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[No1Here2c]

15 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

There’s no one writing these words. One is writing these words, there’s no other one.

No one reading these words, One is reading these words, there is no other one.

 

15 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

There’s no break in symmetry.

 

[Willy Phallicus]

20 hours ago, Someone here said:

And this terrifies you.

Be not afraid.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Be not afraid.

How could you be not afraid if you are afraid?

[No1Here2c]

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

How could you be not afraid if you are afraid?

I don't think we as individual selfs can be unafraid in the direct experience of fear.

The experience of fear is highly potent to the self. Self is extremely reactive to fear. Fear takes control.

Fear is probably one of the deepest ingrained survival mechanisms which we face. If one is not careful, fear can go exponential. Wildfire it can be.

We can, however, hold a sort of dissonance inside, where fear & fearlessness meet on even ground.

There is an 'internal tension' which occurs when courage meets terror. The deciding factor of which one will win out seems not to be anything within the selfs control.

In careful observation of fear from a mindful state of 'true meditation' is able to be experienced a distancing of identification with it. The fear is recognized as a projection of self & survival. Recognized as Falsehood; Illusory.

This is a function of consciousness and not of self.

In the created distance from fear, is seemingly able to be employed a trajectory change, where the fear is no longer the dominant controlling aspect, and courage can step in to take the reins.

[No1Here2c]

The first step into Courage may lead all the rest into Fearlessness.

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Recognized as Falsehood; Illusory

This is where you enter the realm of non-dualistic modern spirituality, and your reasoning completely collapses. Fear is not an illusion; it's an essential mechanism for the complex process we call life to be possible.

If you're serious about spirituality, you have to confront fear for real. Not just "observing" it at home, but when death and ruin lurks. Then you'll see how illusory it truly is.

[No1Here2c]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This is where you enter the realm of non-dualistic modern spirituality, and your reasoning completely collapses. Fear is not an illusion; it's an essential mechanism for the complex process we call life to be possible.

If you're serious about spirituality, you have to confront fear for real. Not just "observing" it at home, but when death and ruin lurks. Then you'll see how illusory it truly is.

Make no assumptions of what any of us seekers have been through.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Make no assumptions of what any of us seekers have been through.

12 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

 

I do since you equate fear and illusion.  That means escapism. Like: this is just a dream, it's not happening. That's just a mental trick. Maybe you went through a very hard problems, but this attitude is evasion.

[No1Here2c]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

reasoning completely collapses.

Exactly.

Reason collapses.

Reason is a function of ego.

Emotion will always override reason.

Emotion too is an egoic function of the human being. This includes fear.

Emotion, much like reason, also collapses. All emotion becomes Indistinct. Love & fear are no different at the highest degrees of Awareness. As if two sides of the same remarkably mysterious token.

Doesnt make sense?

Good. Sense making is a function of the ego.

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

the realm of non-dualistic spirituality.

This is exactly right. Spirituality is complete collapse into unified superimposition.

Nondual.

Completely, utterly, inseparable.

Nothing to be contrasted against.

Beauty & Terror have no true separation other than that of which the ego insinuates within the content of consciousness.

[No1Here2c]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

this is just a dream, it's not happening.

That's just a mental trick.

Careful to assume that the Dream-like Nature of 'your existence' is

"just a mental trick."

Much like a sleeping dream, the content of life pulls us in,

We become identified, completely emmeshed.

We start to feel as if we are really there, as if we are the ones reacting inside of such a thing. 

Only to be whiplashed into reality in a mere instant upon Awakening.

The content of the dream?

Gone.

But in those moments of living through it, was as real as it got.

You Woke Up.

There is good reason we call 'Awakening' what we call it.

[No1Here2c]

If anything, 

"the mental trick"

Is you believing that all of this is real.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

you believing that all of this is real.

Of course, it's the reality happening, I would call real to the reality. 

8 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

We start to feel as if we are really there,

You are there, if you want to call it unreal to feel better it's your choice. But if anything is not real, then what is "real"?