Emptiness & Nirvana

[Someone here]

The realization of emptiness is both liberating and terrifying. Emptiness means the true nature of all things is devoid of any substance. It doesn’t mean things do not exist or are illusory or that existence is like a black blank dark silent empty room .  Everything in existence exists exactly as is right here right now . But the substance of all forms is formlessness.
When you experience a restless mind or uncomfortable stream of thoughts and you can’t sleep because of that then here is what you gotta do . Don’t try to silence the mind . The mind can’t shut up. Thoughts flow like a river. It’s silly to try to stop the river . Instead you should sit and watch the water flowing and watch the thoughts moving without reaction . Why is this difficult? Because the voice in your head is not you . It’s what’s  been programmed into your mind since you were a child being displayed on repeat . When you observe the mind thinking and you just watch thoughts come and go you will experience difficulties. You will want to engage with thoughts . Why ? Because what remains when you leave the mind alone and just exist as you are as awareness? You see emptiness. You see inside of your being emptiness. There is no one there inside of your being . Just a silent nonpartisan awareness. And its nature is empty . Try this right now :sit in a silent room comfortably and still your body completely and ignore your mind chatter completely. But remain alert . What is found in that space you just allowed ? Literally emptiness. This terrifies you because it’s boring . Your true nature is total blankness. And you can’t stand hearing the sound of silence. You want to engage with the thoughts . Because if you didn’t you will be empty and bored . This is just the tip of the iceberg of the emptiness.if you stay in that meditation long enough just being empty you will fall asleep and enter into the core of your being and the absolute nature of existence which is pure emptiness or pure formlessness which we call deep sleep. In deep sleep there is no mind chatter and there is no sensory experience of any kind  .it’s not dark or black . It’s literally complete empty void . This void can be liberating when you realize it to be who you are or it can be terrifying.

 Here is how to cure insomnia: When your mind is restless and filled with uncomfortable thoughts and  when you can’t sleep..the solution is not to try to silence it. The mind does not simply stop. Thoughts flow like a river ..and trying to stop them is as futile as trying to stop the flow.

Instead sit and observe. Watch the flow of thoughts without reacting to them. the voice in your head is not truly “you.” It is a collection conditioning and programming accumulated memories since childhood repeating themselves automatically. When you begin to observe your thoughts without engaging you will feel a strong urge to get involved again.

Why? 

What remains when you let the mind be and rest as pure awareness? You encounter emptiness. There is no solid “self” at the center only a quiet empty being  .

Try this: sit comfortably in a quiet room. Keep your body still. Let the mind chatter continue but do not engage with it. Stay alert.

What do you find in that space?

Emptiness. Isn’t it ? Nothing .

This can feel simply boring. The mind resists silence. It wants stimulation ..distraction..involvement..music ..food..doomscrolling ..anything. Without these things you are left with a sense of blankness and this can be uncomfortable.

But here is the key point:  this emptiness is also called Nirvana. Absolute bliss and happiness. Not pleasure or excitement but serenity and blissfullness . Consider Deep sleep . It’s pure effortless serenity. That’s nirvana . That’s what you are at the core of your being . If you reject it or don’t accept it or find it boring or terrifying then you will suffer . If you accept it and fall in love with who you are then you will be happy.

 Stop fearing sleep as if it’s non existence. ..deep sleep: it is completely free of struggle. There is nothing to desire ..nothing to resist. It is pure rest. 

 Like I said If you reject it if you find it boring or frightening you will continue to suffer constantly seeking distraction. But if you accept it and come to recognize it as what you truly are it can become a source of profound peace which nothing else in this world of form can offer .

 

 

[Someone here]

@No1Here2c the river cannot be stopped. You swim with the current in total surrender or you attempt the impossible by trying to stop the flow .

[Someone here]

@No1Here2c that’s irrelevant to OP and the insight I’m sharing . Thank you .

[Willy Phallicus]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

What do you find in that space?

Me

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Me

Yes and "Me” is pure emptiness. There is nothing there at the deepest core of your being . And this terrifies you.

[Hojo]

I think you should be feeling in your body like you are going down the highway with the windows down.

[Mellowmarsh]

9 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

I made no such claims. I simply observed the fact of the river of spilling out into the open ocean.

Worth finding if you can.

The river flowing to the ocean source is a constant seamless flux of source to source. There’s no break in symmetry.

There’s no ‘I’  getting caught in the eddies or making grinding noises in an effort to resist the flow by means of stopping to find or look for it.
Life is already and always is as fluid, never solid, effortlessly carving its way through any obstruction and doesn’t need an ‘I’  to function.

There’s no observer named ‘I’ watching itself. There’s simply empty looking upon empty concepts as this artificial conception. 
 

There’s no one writing these words. One is writing these words, there’s no other one.

No one reading these words, One is reading these words, there is no other one.
 

Edited May 6 by Mellowmarsh

[Breakingthewall]

@Someone here

What you're talking about is a good level of meditation. What you're doing is real meditation, opening yourself to what is now. But let's see, when you say that there's emptiness inside you if thoughts stop, that can be nuanced. When the mind stops completely and you perceive yourself as a process unfolding now, at a certain point reality loses its dual dimension, "inside you," "your thoughts."

There is no longer an inside or outside, no limits restricting anything. Then you are floating in the abyss that is this moment, and at a certain point, you are this moment, without any interpretation or barrier, completely clear, pure.

When you can reach this point naturally, that's when it gets difficult, at least for me. In this absolute moment, there is one last barrier. Poetically speaking, your heart is closed, and it is because you are afraid, because you cling to the fact of being you, to the control of what is.

The challenge is to open yourself, to let go of that last control, to break free from form and be pure substance without restrictions. This is enlightenment, nothing less. It is access to the Tao, to the source, and you cannot think or remember, you can only be now. It's not "nothing ", it's unlimited, it's everything. Then the door closes up, and you perceive the closure in you, in your body, in your heart, but anyway you can't open it. A lot of adjustments must be done to align yourself, at least it's what I feel, what I'm doing, the path that I choose

Edited May 6 by Breakingthewall

[Willy Phallicus]

20 hours ago, Someone here said:

And this terrifies you.

Be not afraid.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Be not afraid.

How could you be not afraid if you are afraid?

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Recognized as Falsehood; Illusory

This is where you enter the realm of non-dualistic modern spirituality, and your reasoning completely collapses. Fear is not an illusion; it's an essential mechanism for the complex process we call life to be possible.

If you're serious about spirituality, you have to confront fear for real. Not just "observing" it at home, but when death and ruin lurks. Then you'll see how illusory it truly is.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Make no assumptions of what any of us seekers have been through.

12 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

 

I do since you equate fear and illusion.  That means escapism. Like: this is just a dream, it's not happening. That's just a mental trick. Maybe you went through a very hard problems, but this attitude is evasion.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

you believing that all of this is real.

Of course, it's the reality happening, I would call real to the reality. 

8 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

We start to feel as if we are really there,

You are there, if you want to call it unreal to feel better it's your choice. But if anything is not real, then what is "real"? 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

Real, as I have come to find, is a term only valid from within very specific & narrow states of consciousness.

Real, as conceived by the human mind, does not exist.

Experience does arise, experience does fade away. This is as Maya. 

Truly, what I would call 'real' given my bubble, and the perspective implied within it, would he the Infinite. The Formless. The complete open expanse.

That is what I would point toward as 'real'.

It's much more simple: everything is real because everything is the reality. Or maybe are you one of those non dualistic who make an absolute duality between real and dream?

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Everything is dream because everything is the dream content. 

I make no distinction.

The realm of dream is exactly the realm of reality. The space in which both are held is the exact same. 

The content of both vary, the internal rules & consistency of both do vary. But the underlying fabric is identical.

The distinction between dream & reality is something you are presently drawing. You are doing it right now. Otherwise, it does not exist 

Then why do you call it dream if it's the same than the reality? A dream is something less real, an illusion. An illusion is illusory because it's not real. If anything is an illusion is in comparison with something that is not an illusion. If everything is an illusion, then it's just you putting labels to create an unnecessary mental mess 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Everything you know is Illusion. Including the labels which have you confused about the Nature of such.

The 'mental mess' is as a result of drawing distinction within the Indistinct. Catch 22 'Reality'.

I see it different, everything is just the reality happening, processes unfolding, it's not "maya", it's just how reality manifest. 

5 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Underneath that, lies Truth. Complete & utter, empty Formless Freedom.

The "truth" is the perception of the nature of the reality beyond the form. That doesn't mean that the form is Maya or unreal, means that the form is form, and the nature is the nature. Both are two aspects of the reality. No one is false. 

But the point is being open to the total nature of the reality, to what is. Then the form appears as what is in this form . 

I think that this of Maya is not useful to see clearly, but it's just my opinion. Anyway, a pleasure to talk 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Busy making distinction

The distinctions are real. Pretending they don't exist is a kind of spiritual narcissism that closes you off. No one achieves openness with those non-dualistic tricks.

You have to know how to differentiate between process and substance; then you can function as a process aligned with your total nature. To pretend that everything is illusory is to deny something that exists, a kind of mental castration that locks you in a dead state that you define as "awake."

[Mellowmarsh]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

This is where you enter the realm of non-dualistic modern spirituality, and your reasoning completely collapses. Fear is not an illusion; it's an essential mechanism for the complex process we call life to be possible.

If you're serious about spirituality, you have to confront fear for real. Not just "observing" it at home, but when death and ruin lurks. Then you'll see how illusory it truly is.

Death and ruin cannot destroy or ruin what is always imprinted to memory everlasting, already dead, gone but never forgotten. Memories of past is what gives seamless continuity to the present, namely now. There’s no gap between past present and future, it’s always now.

Thanks for the memory. R.I.P

This illusion is real. Always be yourself, the real fictional impressionable character. 🤭

[Mellowmarsh]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The distinctions are real. Pretending they don't exist is a kind of spiritual narcissism that closes you off. No one achieves openness with those non-dualistic tricks.

You have to know how to differentiate between process and substance; then you can function as a process aligned with your total nature. To pretend that everything is illusory is to deny something that exists, a kind of mental castration that locks you in a dead state that you define as "awake."

Distinction is real only in the sense of it’s opposite meaning Indistinct. 
For example: The changeless change. Or, the unlimited limited. 
 

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What does A I say…

A Möbius strip is distinct in the sense of having only one side despite existing in 3D space) limitations are relative to the perspective of the observer—what appears as dual and separated at one level is unified at another.

“The limit of a thing is but the two sides...": This suggests that the boundary, edge, or definition of an object is what defines its duality (inside/outside, front/back, start/end).

“...as change for one dimension reflects as two": In a lower-dimensional context, a change on one side implies a corresponding change on the other, creating a dualistic or two-sided view (e.g., changing the top of a line affects the bottom).

“...and two dimensions reflect as one.": As you move to a higher dimension, what appeared as two separate, opposite sides can be seen as a single, unified, and continuous surface (e.g., the front and back of a piece of paper are connected when viewing the paper as a 3D object, or a Möbius strip-having only one side despite existing in 3D space). 

It is a poetic way of saying that limitations are relative to the perspective of the observer—what appears as dual and separated at one level is unified at another.

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

Only in Imagination.

What imagination? That's spiritual bypassing . Then there is the reality, that is pure and good, and your imagination, that is impure and bad. 

Edited May 7 by Breakingthewall