Which Button Are You Pressing?

[vinc3nc]

Which button would a highly conscious human being press?

 

[Carl-Richard]

The poll is stupid if you can see the results before it is closed.

Anyways, if you're rational and not retarded, you would hope everyone presses the red button (just for their own sake), because then everybody survives regardless, and regardless of how many pushes the button, you will survive. But of course there is always one retard who doesn't understand this (or they misclicked, or their cat ran across the keyboard, or an asteroid hit their WiFi router and it sent a signal to click the wrong button). So if you're willing to bet that more than 50% of people are willing to potentially sacrifice themselves in order to save one or more retards / unlucky people (or they are simply retarded or unlucky themselves), then go ahead, push blue.

And if the poll results above is an accurate representation of the level of retardation or unluck we're dealing with, then maybe you should push blue (but a 3.4% margin is pretty slim). But if you don't have access to that information, you would have to gamble on the level of retardation or unluck of people on Twitter, or do some research into it and relevant facets like reading comprehension, statistical understanding, misclick rates. Then you would also have to adjust the numbers according the real life situation of people encountering a poll and being hopefully more rigorously informed that this is truly life or death. And that removes like 90% of the fun or realism/authenticity of these kinds of polls, because they are not presented in a context that is similiar to the probable real assumed context.

Edited 4 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[vinc3nc]

@Carl-Richard Everyone in the world presses it. Maybe think about it before judging ppl that hard.

Edited 10 hours ago by vinc3nc

[integral]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The poll is stupid if you can see the results before it is closed.

Anyways, if you're rational and not retarded, you would hope everyone presses the red button (just for their own sake), because then everybody survives regardless, and regardless of how many pushes the button, you will survive. But of course there is always one retard who doesn't understand this (or they misclicked, or their cat ran across the keyboard, or an asteroid hit their WiFi router and it sent a signal to click the wrong button). So if you're willing to bet that more than 50% of people are willing to potentially sacrifice themselves in order to save one or more retards / unlucky people (or they are simply retarded or unlucky themselves), then go ahead, push blue.

And if the poll results above is an accurate representation of the level of retardation or unluck we're dealing with, then maybe you should push blue (but a 3.4% margin is pretty slim). But if you don't have access to that information, you would have to gamble on the level of retardation or unluck of people on Twitter, or do some research into it and relevant facets like reading comprehension, statistical understanding, misclick rates. Then you would also have to adjust the numbers according the real life situation of people encountering a poll and being hopefully informed more rigorously that this is truly life or death. And that removes like 90% of the fun or realism/authenticity of these kinds of polls, because they are not presented in a context that is similiar to the probable real assumed context.

I don't understand this logic. Most people don't understand the question and don't understand the problem, vast majority. They're going to pick based on what feels right to them on vibe. They're not doing any logical thinking, problem solving or statistical thinking.

• It comes down to how people feel about others, do they think everyone else is going to screw them then they're going to press red. 
• If they feel like everyone is going to be sensible and we're all going to work together, then they're going to press blue.

 

It's about how they relate to others in the environment.

identification. Red is a private statement that you'll save yourself even if it means others die. Blue is a private statement that You rather work as a team than survive at others' expense.  Someone who fundamentally expects defection presses red because they expect others to defect.

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In terms of pure Game Theory you're also wrong, because a large amount of people are going to press blue, real game theory is going meta, and calculating what people will actually do, not what is most rational to do.

It's highly irrational to think everyone's going to be rational. 😂

Edited 10 hours ago by integral

[vinc3nc]

@integral well written.

If Leo pushed the red button, it would go against everything he teaches, so he’d better shut down his YT channel and this forum. 

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, vinc3nc said:

@Carl-Richard Everyone in the world presses it. Maybe think about it before judging ppl that hard.

You misunderstand. If only one person can get the results before the poll is closed and they tweet it out or they share the results like you did, that contaminates the poll exactly like I implied.

Edited 5 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[vinc3nc]

@Carl-Richard I thought you knew how polls worked on x. I shared the results to show how ppl decided, but you should have assumed you were pressing the button w/o knowing.

11 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Anyways, if you're rational and not retarded, you would hope everyone presses the red button (just for their own sake), because then everybody survives regardless

thats the problem with your post regardless of the results shown or not shown. if you expect 8 billion ppl to press the red button, then some1 else is retarded, no offense.

[LordFall]

11 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The poll is stupid if you can see the results before it is closed.

Anyways, if you're rational and not retarded, you would hope everyone presses the red button (just for their own sake), because then everybody survives regardless, and regardless of how many pushes the button, you will survive. But of course there is always one retard who doesn't understand this (or they misclicked, or their cat ran across the keyboard, or an asteroid hit their WiFi router and it sent a signal to click the wrong button). So if you're willing to bet that more than 50% of people are willing to potentially sacrifice themselves in order to save one or more retards / unlucky people (or they are simply retarded or unlucky themselves), then go ahead, push blue.

And if the poll results above is an accurate representation of the level of retardation or unluck we're dealing with, then maybe you should push blue (but a 3.4% margin is pretty slim). But if you don't have access to that information, you would have to gamble on the level of retardation or unluck of people on Twitter, or do some research into it and relevant facets like reading comprehension, statistical understanding, misclick rates. Then you would also have to adjust the numbers according the real life situation of people encountering a poll and being hopefully informed more rigorously that this is truly life or death. And that removes like 90% of the fun or realism/authenticity of these kinds of polls, because they are not presented in a context that is similiar to the probable real assumed context.

Bad reply. Only conscious move is to press blue. Sounds like you got some more growing and understanding to do. Obviously a lot of people are gonna press both buttons so you end up as a murderer. 

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, integral said:

It's highly irrational to think everyone's going to be rational. 😂

Let me rephrase: if we assume everybody understands the question and is able to push the button they intend to push, then pushing blue is the most dangerous game of russian roulette, while pushing red is 100% survival rate. If everybody understands that they will survive if they push the red button (which they will) and they all push it, then everybody survives.

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Bad reply. Only conscious move is to press blue. Sounds like you got some more growing and understanding to do. Obviously a lot of people are gonna press both buttons so you end up as a murderer. 

I did not say which button you should definitely push lol. I said because people are retarded, they will push the blue button and maybe you should too to save them.

You guys' reading comprehension is why people push Blue.

Edited 4 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[vinc3nc]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Let me rephrase: if we assume everybody understands the question and is able to push the button they intend to push, then pushing blue is the most dangerous game of russian roulette, while pushing red is 100% survival rate. If everybody understands that they will survive if they push the red button (which they will) and they all push it, then everybody survives.

just admit that you were wrong, nothing wrong with that. you will get more points by doing that, than by doubling down. making scenarios like "if we assume everybody understands..." is just stupid.

Edited 4 hours ago by vinc3nc

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, vinc3nc said:

just admit that you were wrong, nothing wrong with that. you will get more points by doing that, than by doubling down. making scenarios like "if we assome everybody understands..." is just stupid.

Wrong about what? I think you all have poor reading comprehension if you think I was "wrong" about anything, because I didn't even say which button I would push. I only gave potential scenarioes.

Edited 4 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[vinc3nc]

11 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

And if the poll results above is an accurate representation of the level of retardation or unluck we're dealing with, then maybe you should push blue (but a 3.4% margin is pretty slim).

"every1 in the world has to take a private vote..."

i dont even know why you focused so much on the results on X, instead of focusing on which button to press in a scenario that the tweet was about. You didn't directly say which to press, but its clearly seen from your posts what you would do.

Edited 4 hours ago by vinc3nc

[Carl-Richard]

Also, if this was a true real life scenario, considering the other highly egoic answers to ethical dilemmas in this forum section, most of you would probably definitely push Red. Imagine having the choice between playing Russian roulette with an actual loaded gun or simply not playing. If people choose playing Russian roulette, you would probably think that's on them. These kinds of ethical dilemmas get skewed by lack of actual real world consequences so more people choose to enact the most virtuous option because that is most attractive in that case.

Edited 4 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[vinc3nc]

I'm rather dead than to live in a world populated only by red button pressers.

Edited 4 hours ago by vinc3nc

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, vinc3nc said:

"every1 in the world has to take a private vote..."

i dont even know why you focused so much on the results on X, instead of focusing on which button to press in a scenario that the tweet was about.

Because I don't care that much about which button I would press, because I realize that polls like this will never reflect the real life situation, so I honestly don't know what I would actually press in the real life situation. Instead, I care about what circumstances would most probably lead to pressing which button.

 

4 minutes ago, vinc3nc said:

You didn't directly say which to press, but its clearly seen from your posts what you would do.

Why is it clear?

[Carl-Richard]

6 minutes ago, vinc3nc said:

I'm rather dead than to live in a world populated only by red button pressers.

That's a nice virtuous position to have in theory, but will you say that as you load up to play Russian Roulette?

Edited 4 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[vinc3nc]

@Carl-Richard I would do the right thing. nothing more to say here.

Trump pushes the red button, Jesus presses the blue one.

[Carl-Richard]

32 minutes ago, vinc3nc said:

@Carl-Richard I would do the right thing. nothing more to say here.

Trump pushes the red button, Jesus presses the blue one.

I'm saying you don't actually know what you would do with a loaded gun to your head. You could guess and even be right in your guess, but you don't actually know.

Consider the answers to this poll (and the comments in the thread). See how many are supposedly willing to take the egoic option, taking a life even for something as measly as money.

If 66% would supposedly take a life for money, how many do you think would choose to not play Russian Roulette and hope everybody else does the same? I'm saying it's hard to know, and the polls don't actually tell us much.

Edited 3 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[vinc3nc]

@Carl-Richard Its not the same at all. doesnt make sense to compare these two. Lemme explain why.

"If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives."

Just reading this sentence makes you realize that a lot of ppl would press the blue button because of this, not realizing what it actually means. they would be too quick to judge and just press the blue button (along with children etc). and the rest (maybe only 20-30% of the remaining people) just to need to realize what I just said here to make the right choice (pressing blue) in order for nobody to die (to make it 50%+).

so the way something is written or said is very, very important in these kinds of experiments. imagine it if was said like this: "If every1 presses the red button, nobody dies, if less than 50% press the blue button, every1 who pressed the blue button dies" or something like that. then you're fucked if you try to push the blue button just to help those who made a mistake survive, because you wouldn't have enough support from others.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by vinc3nc