Honestly

[TruthFreedom]

You're all so full of shit, it's quite incredible. I think Leo has realised his own bullshit, so you don't see him posting much.

But if I was to tell the Truth, then this part of the forum could be titled:

"Bullshit, horseshit, and nonsense"

[Joseph Maynor]

It seems that way because it's nearly impossible to prove spirituality to someone else.

[SSSanity]

Linked Discourses 56.41

5. A Cliff

Speculation About the World

At one time the Buddha was staying near Rājagaha, in the Bamboo Grove, the squirrels’ feeding ground. There the Buddha addressed the mendicants:

“Once upon a time, mendicants, a certain person left Rājagaha, thinking ‘I’ll speculate about the world.’ They went to the Sumāgadhā lotus pond and sat down on the bank speculating about the world. Then that person saw an army of four divisions enter a lotus stalk. When he saw this he thought, ‘I’ve gone mad, really, I’ve lost my mind! I’m seeing things that don’t exist in the world.’

Then that person entered the city and informed a large crowd, ‘I’ve gone mad, really, I’ve lost my mind! I’m seeing things that don’t exist in the world.’

‘But how is it that you’re mad? How have you lost your mind? And what have you seen that doesn’t exist in the world?’

‘Sirs, I left Rājagaha, thinking “I’ll speculate about the world.” I went to the Sumāgadhā lotus pond and sat down on the bank speculating about the world. Then I saw an army of four divisions enter a lotus stalk. That’s why I’m mad, that’s why I’ve lost my mind. And that’s what I’ve seen that doesn’t exist in the world.’

‘Well, my friend, you’re definitely mad, you’ve definitely lost your mind. And you’re seeing things that don’t exist in the world.’

But what that person saw was in fact real, not unreal. Once upon a time, a battle was fought between the gods and the titans. In that battle the gods won and the titans lost. The defeated and terrified titans entered the citadel of the titans through the lotus stalk only to confuse the gods.

So mendicants, don’t speculate about the world. For example: the cosmos is eternal, or not eternal, or finite, or infinite; the soul and the body are one and the same, or the soul is one thing, the body another; after death, a realized one still exists, or no longer exists, or both still exists and no longer exists, or neither still exists nor no longer exists. Why is that? Because those thoughts aren’t beneficial or relevant to the fundamentals of the spiritual life. They don’t lead to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment.

When you think something up, you should think: ‘This is suffering’ … ‘This is the origin of suffering’ … ‘This is the cessation of suffering’ … ‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering’. Why is that? Because those thoughts are beneficial and relevant to the fundamentals of the spiritual life. They lead to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment.

That’s why you should practice meditation …”

Edited yesterday at 06:13 AM by SSSanity

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It seems that way because it's nearly impossible to prove spirituality to someone else.

Firstly, you would need to prove that someone else exists as another completely detached and separate from you. 

[Mellowmarsh]

7 hours ago, TruthFreedom said:

I think Leo has realised his own bullshit, so you don't see him posting much.

Yes, it’s been realised many times over in his videos.

Leo is already aware of this BS and already knows that two sages have nothing to say to each other as there’s no one there in the other to bounce off. 

[TruthFreedom]

Mellowmarsh can I just say that your words are not aligned with Truth, you are probably a guy who gets stoned every day, and you don't fully realise the truth of the world. 

The truth is that we are all meaningless lumps of shit pretending that we mean something. We mean nothing. I could tell the whole universe that we are all going to heaven on a spiritual whirlwind of beauty, and it would mean NOTHING.

[Willy Phallicus]

Project much?

Edited 9 hours ago by Willy Phallicus

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I hope we can try to increase the quality of posts.

[caspex]

5 hours ago, TruthFreedom said:

The truth is that we are all meaningless lumps of shit pretending that we mean something. We mean nothing. I could tell the whole universe that we are all going to heaven on a spiritual whirlwind of beauty, and it would mean NOTHING.

What Leo says doesn't really contradict this as much as you'd like to think btw

[Joseph Maynor]

20 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Firstly, you would need to prove that someone else exists as another completely detached and separate from you. 

I've never been persuaded by the other people don't exist hypothesis.

[Hojo]

@Joseph MaynorHow can other people exist, if you dont even exist?

The person is a Chat gpt.

If we are just balls of energy and other people are balls of energy, we cant know they are there until we touch them and when we touch them we cant know if its just our reaction to ourselves.

Like how does the peroxide know what its reacting too if its the reaction itself to something. The peroxide dosent know about what its reacting too but it starts foaming for no reason to itself. The peroxide is the foaming and it cant know something outside of it made it do it.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Joseph Maynor]

@Hojo  I don't know how we can determine epistemologically that I don't exist or that others don't exist.

[Hojo]

@Joseph MaynorThats what neti neti is for.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I've never been persuaded by the other people don't exist hypothesis.

Hmm, maybe you ought to check your powers of persuasion are not deceiving you. 
 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

8 hours ago, TruthFreedom said:

The truth is that we are all meaningless lumps of shit pretending that we mean something. We mean nothing. I could tell the whole universe that we are all going to heaven on a spiritual whirlwind of beauty, and it would mean NOTHING.

I couldn’t agree more.

Never has anyone ever spoken a single word, or expressed a truth, or ascribed meaning to anything.

There’s just noise popping out of this body like farts in the wind. Seems like the body can’t resist it’s own smell.

 

[Joseph Maynor]

22 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Hmm, maybe you ought to check your powers of persuasion are not deceiving you. 

It's actually the inverse of this.  The burden of proof isn't on me.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It's actually the inverse of this.  The burden of proof isn't on me.

You already know that.

👇

It seems that way because it's nearly impossible to prove spirituality to someone else.

[Joseph Maynor]

9 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You already know that.

👇

It seems that way because it's nearly impossible to prove spirituality to someone else.

Ok, then to be fair, what about your powers of persuasion?  

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

Ok, then to be fair, what about your powers of persuasion?  

That’s for you to find out.

[Joseph Maynor]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

That’s for you to find out.

I think I already know.  Keep doing you.