I tried to explain enlightenment (awakening) to a Christian

[Someone here]

10 minutes ago, Nemra said:

more real.

exactly. If all forms come and go then there aren’t levels of realness . No such thing as “more real “ just because it’s high resolution and dreams are murky ..or because this is consistent and the other wacky . So what’s the metric of truth or realness then ? Not consistency or resolution but experience. If its experienced it’s true and the rest is obvious.

[Nemra]

I am generally afraid of losing stability in waking life because it can be taken away from me and my life depends on it.

However, my human stability is a limitation. In nightly dreams, the limitations are relatively broken.

Edited 1 hour ago by Nemra

[Someone here]

@Nemra there is eternal fight between fear and survival and truth . 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

My sides lol you just opened a thread asking the question that Leo’s whole career is built upon . It’s like yeah interesting question maybe Leo should shoot a video about god i never heard him explaining god before 😂 

seriously get this right .. when I ask these maddening existential questions I’m doing it for the people who read not to me.  It’s like you rape your mind until you get what is actually true and what is not . What is being asleep and what is awake . What is the true self and what is the false self . What is mortal and what is immortal . 
 

This whole dream vs reality clout is hilarious to me .  There is no true experience and false experience . Experience is absolute. Either there is experience or there isn’t . If there is there is . If there isn’t there isn’t .

Okay, if that’s what you want. That’s fine by me.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

My sides lol you just opened a thread asking the question that Leo’s whole career is built upon

Just for the record. I wanted to ask that question, is that okay with you?

So what’s so funny about that question that makes your sides lol ?

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

So when I wake up from this world I will wake up where ?  Go ahead .

You wake up from this world the minute you know the world exists. That’s where. 

[Someone here]

@Mellowmarsh 

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Just for the record. I wanted to ask that question, is that okay with you?

So what’s so funny about that question that makes your sides lol ?

You’re seriously asking what is god ? You people watch the man’s lectures or just hang out on the forum ? 

[Mellowmarsh]

@Someone here wrote:”You’re seriously asking what is god ? You people watch the man’s lectures or just hang out on the forum ? “

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I’ve watched Leo’s answers to the question. 
 

Now I’m asking the forum members what their answers are, I even included one of my own.

So again, what’s so side splittingly funny about that?

 

 

 

Edited 30 minutes ago by Mellowmarsh

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

Dreams at night don't happen in your brain when you're sleeping.

When you wake up from your sleep, you understand that what you experienced passed away. That's why you call it a dream.

From your nightly dream's perspective, your waking life is a dream, because it passes away when you sleep.

So, neither is more real than the other.

If your waking life appears to be more stable, it doesn't mean it's more real.

Excellent, well said. 

[Someone here]

@Mellowmarsh sister , chil. Ask till tomorrow. I’m not a bad person lol 😂. That’s just my style . You’re familiar with it .  You played dumb . When I said “ stop interfering with our own lives “ you said then why you keep plumbing toxic skepticism. I literally explained to you why I’m doing this . I’m well established in my own mind about all this stuff . I’m asking to shake you awake . I know whether there is god or not . I know whether life is a dream or not . It’s just i changed my style from asserting propositions like”  this is how it is “ to sneaking in questions which I already know the answers to , to help other members relate or understand .