Is absolute Truth knowable ?

[Mixcoatl]

There is an absolute Truth. It's logically impossible that there is not a Truth. Is it logically knowable?

From a philosophical POV, is it possible to know it? 

Rupert Spira says that being is knowing. 

Thoughts??

[kavaris]

@Mixcoatl We can atleast say that "truth" (generally) is something you can point at (direct towards), for yourself, and unto others.

That gives you truth as more of a "locus". At some point, *language itself, and words like ego and truth take on different forms/meanings, and what was once the "looking for truth" become something more akin to reality itself ~So Truth is not always the destination, in the search for truth (that is in the context of our whole lives being a testament to truth, or rather, the "attempt to discern").

Truth evolves. In discerning truth, you are distilling something alchemical. We are *occupied by the perception of limitations and truths of experience, Ergo on one end, we are taking up the space via * these other forms.

And so therefore, that which exists, exists Now, as well as that which we are moving or facing is itself [there] but in a sense we just dont perceive it beyond "the happenings that we think are called truth"

And just to conclude this, there's two different destinations on the path of the Philosopher~which has to do w/ this initial relaxing of the Ousia of the self, and the acknowledgement around the Istemi~

its something akin to a direction or arrow  that links the inner and outer models, that which leads to a sort of truth of the matter. Though, calling it "truth" (as opposed to "a truth") is a bit odd, because then there's this other road that builds on the distillations of truth, which is a separate sortve path, and it doesnt necessary encapsulate the istemi,  though it doesnt exclude it. It does assume one should be atleast somewhat familiar w/ it as a possibility, as these two things, *truth and the -istemi towards, are somewhat tangential in nature. Or maybe it should be phrased as, "istemi exists to deepen the distillation" (or vice versa)

Edited April 17 by kavaris

[Someone here]

The only model of truth that can work is one that defines absolute truth as all that there is..therefore it would be prior to knowing. It is not something you can come to know as a specific piece of information in the future after reading a thousand books. It is both the journey and the destination..not just the destination.

If you assume there is an absolute static truth in the form of a piece of information that you will eventually come to know ..you also have to account for the constant changes in your experience..thoughts..worldview..and convictions. How many times in your life have you believed you had found the absolute truth only to later change your mind?

 

[Mellowmarsh]

On 17/04/2026 at 2:58 AM, Mixcoatl said:

There is an absolute Truth. It's logically impossible that there is not a Truth. Is it logically knowable?

From a philosophical POV, is it possible to know it? 

Rupert Spira says that being is knowing. 

Thoughts??

I agree with Rupert that being is knowing.

I’d like to expand on this by saying the only absolute truth you can say for certain is that you are conscious, and that everything else is just linguistics. 

[Joseph Maynor]

Yes it is.

[LastThursday]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

everything else is just linguistics. 

Unfortunately you can't get away from linguistics. What is absolute referring to, and is it just one truth or many of them?

[Mellowmarsh]

8 hours ago, LastThursday said:

Unfortunately you can't get away from linguistics. What is absolute referring to, and is it just one truth or many of them?

I would hazard a guess that absolute is referring linguistically to immediate non descriptive consciousness without doubt or error, irrefutably. To answer your question. 

[LastThursday]

14 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I would hazard a guess that absolute is referring linguistically to immediate non descriptive consciousness without doubt or error, irrefutably. To answer your question. 

And "immediate non descriptive consciousness" isn't that a linguistic statement also? You see the problem. To me absolute means "all encompassing", "total", "dead certain", "without doubt or error", "irrefutably".  What sort of truth is that, what is it about an absolute truth that makes it irrefutable? How can it be known, if it's not conviction or faith?

[kavaris]

Keep in mind, we are on the cutting edge of spirituality, and mystic, realish-things, so the language everyone uses here is prolly gonna be assuming a base level of something.

But just to zoom back for a second, recall that yous got the term "non dual", the non dual beliefs are what i am presuming we consider actualized dot org, atleast to the everyday enthusiast.

So you start there, the surface level of sortve contemplating on, or pointing towards, or suggesting something *non dual. So thats always the first way to frame or cloak everything, just at first, for now.

Now from there, we are facing backwards, from the individualized self, pointing towards the non dual destination, where in you have this *observer whos observing, self (Ousia) .... And the other end, forward pointing, atleast through the physical eyes, the very literal understanding of "Anything beyond".

Another way to frame it is to say that, the self is a "moment" itself, and everything outside is the extension of time ~ though that peers through a lens that has a "spectrum of" time, and doesnt speak to anything involving the self. The self is the important matter where we derive truth.

So that sortve like, the long winded initialization into the aspect of truth as an absolute, but it requires some shuffling around, as its truth from a spiritual basis, alongside truth from the degree that can be communicated.

*p.s. truth gets a bit involved, but just for now, truth could be said, is *a truth* intertwined with our ability to communicate truth, as it relates to things that are absolute~Ergo absolute truth is a pointer towards that idea, but we can think of absolute truth from different perspectives. I personally frame it from the point of the self, as it would pertain to anything else, so its both literally the self talking about truth, and its also what truth is, in the search for something absolute. That is, in our own world, we can call it total, but to others, if we express everything absolute as say "consciousness", its a synonym for "any word" which isnt quite how wed communicate with each other if to intertwine w/ the "meanings of truth". It all depends on what someone is asking in that case.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by kavaris

[kavaris]

(part 2)

i wont belabor the point, however i will say that truth does extend into realistic places, because everyday is a progression (sometimes a regression) from a time where all of our ways of communicating had been aligned w/ diff ideas ~ that which did or didnt point towards either a relative or an absolute place, in such a way that everyone had agreed.

And so we are the living proof of things that have progressed in the areas of describing the "meaning of truth": Truth as it would apply to the idea of "facts" and truth as it would apply to the idea of "to reveal", which is more like an action, or something you actively investigate (for others, or for yourself). And regardless, they are hard to explain in words but we continue to build on them, from a realistic place, from a philosophical place, from a magico-religious place and from a spiritual place, all simultaneously.

Edited 6 hours ago by kavaris

[Mellowmarsh]

10 hours ago, LastThursday said:

And "immediate non descriptive consciousness" isn't that a linguistic statement also? You see the problem. To me absolute means "all encompassing", "total", "dead certain", "without doubt or error", "irrefutably".  What sort of truth is that, what is it about an absolute truth that makes it irrefutable? How can it be known, if it's not conviction or faith?

You can only be certain of one truth, and that is you are conscious… everything else is uncertain.

And yes, this is known only as and through your word….Without knowing a word, nothing, absolutely nothing is known.