Mansour al-Hallaj, the Highest Baseline Consciousness in Human History?

[Eskilon]

2 hours ago, cetus said:

A Buddhist monk sacrificing himself by fire in protest of the Viet Nam war.

A true man. This is strength with a capital S.

[Eskilon]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I will be jealous when I know it is more than a myth.

It's good to be skeptical. But if you are calling it a myth, might as well start doubting history itself and even skepticism

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[Ramasta9]

1 minute ago, Eskilon said:

A true man. This is strength with a capital S.

This Is Mastery over Mind/Body/Reality. To sit motionless and transcend pain and suffering while being burned alive.  

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Eskilon said:

@Leo Gura You're just jealous that you didn't reach infinite invincibility awakening like all-Hallaj did

The fact that he was tortured without flinching isn't so important. Many mystics and non-mystics have done it. In the photos Cetus posted, you can see a Buddhist monk burning without moving a muscle. This isn't unique; it's happened hundreds or thousand of times

What I find interesting about al-Hallaj is what he conveys. No other mystic gives me the impression of total openness. There's something different about him; there's no bridge between him and the absolute, it's the absolute expressing itself as a human. But of course, this is a subjective impression.

[Eskilon]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Many mystics and non-mystics have done it.

Many? I think not lmao

 

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Cetus posted, you can see a Buddhist monk burning without moving a muscle.

Yes, but very very few monks are able to accomplish that.

[Someone here]

I’m aware of him . Can’t really say the highest baseline since consciousness isn’t really quantifiable like this .there has been so many great mystics who demonstrated even supernatural powers and these were historically documented. Also were willing to die and not give up their convictions. What do you think is so special about him ?

[Eskilon]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What do you think is so special about him ?

The transcendence of pain and biology. If it was true he was truly in leela state 24/7, that's a remarkable feat. Nobody on this forum achieved this sort of thing to my knowledge.

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[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

The transcendence of pain and biology. If it was true he was truly in leela state 24/7, that's a remarkable feat.

I haven’t watched the video you linked . Let me check out . I know he was persecuted like Jesus. 
Leela comes from Hindu tradition and he was Persian Sufi?

[Eskilon]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

Leela comes from Hindu tradition and he was Persian Sufi?

I used Leela to indicate a no give a fuck attitude because of transcendence. He was a persian sufi, yes.

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[Someone here]

14 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Nobody on this forum achieved this sort of thing to my knowledge.

Why would anyone dead serious about awakening hang out on a forum ?

[Breakingthewall]

25 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

The transcendence of pain and biology. If it was true he was truly in leela state 24/7, that's a remarkable feat. Nobody on this forum achieved this sort of thing to my knowledge.

Three years ago, I had surgery where they had to remove screws that had been put in my tibia and fibula, drill a small hole in both bones, pass a special thread through, fix two small plates to each side of the bone with screws, and secure the thread there. I already knew the surgeon from the previous operation; he was a young guy, we talked about some topics in the previous visits and have good feeling 

Right at the moment of the operation, I thought of asking him to do it without anesthesia. The anesthesiologist said that was impossible. I told him to try it and that if I moved even a millimeter, he should anesthetize me. The guy accepted the challenge. When he started, I thought: let's see, if they anesthetize me, they're going to do exactly the same thing, so there's no threat or anything to avoid, just the sensation, and a sensation is just a sensation.

The whole thing lasted about 40 minutes, with the sounds of a drill, screws grinding, the guy with blood on his hands and forearms, but I didn't move a millimeter , as my leg was dead, and it didn't hurt that much anyway, because 90% of pain is the feeling that you should run away, that this shouldn't be happening, but if you absolutely convince yourself that it should be happening, the pain becomes just a feeling. At some point, its negative component fades; it's just a feeling, period.

Of course I'm not comparing with being burned alive, but it's the same mechanism. If that monk is absolutely convinced that the fact of being burned is exactly what should happen, then the pain changes of frequency. It doesn't have relationship with being enlightened, zero relationship. It's deactivation of the psychological mechanism of pain from the physical sensation. The psychological is stronger, the physical is just a sensation 

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[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall I think seeking heroic experiences might be a trap for you . You have a yearning or a craving for suffering your way through reaching enlightenment. 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Breakingthewall I think seeking heroic experiences might be a trap for you . You have a yearning or a craving for suffering your way through reaching enlightenment. 

I have not that tendency anymore. It wasn't something like: I want to prove I'm capable and feel valuable. It was more like: I'm afraid of many things, and that fear traps me. I feel trapped, and if I don't face my fear, it will become impossible to confront, an eternal prison that will trap me in hell 😅.

My parents were very neurotic, and since I was about seven years old, I had that idea absolutely clear. If I watched movies where someone was being tortured, I would get an erotic feeling. But now that's not the challenge anymore. I'm not attracted to danger, pain, or anything like that at all. Zero. Now I'm attracted to connection, to what lives and what flows.

[Eskilon]

37 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Of course I'm not comparing with being burned alive, but it's the same mechanism. If that monk is absolutely convinced that the fact of being burned is exactly what should happen, then the pain changes of frequency. It doesn't have relationship with being enlightened, zero relationship. It's deactivation of the psychological mechanism of pain from the physical sensation. The psychological is stronger, the physical is just a sensation 

Hmm, I think it does have relationship with enlightenment. Because enlightenment, as far as I understand is a transcendence of your psychology, your agenda and wants. If you can fully merge yourself with a feeling and not react negatively that means that you have a least a higher than average consciousness or you are enlightened lol.

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[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I have not that tendency anymore. It wasn't something like: I want to prove I'm capable and feel valuable. It was more like: I'm afraid of many things, and that fear traps me. I feel trapped, and if I don't face my fear, it will become impossible to confront, an eternal prison that will trap me in hell 😅.

My parents were very neurotic, and since I was about seven years old, I had that idea absolutely clear. If I watched movies where someone was being tortured, I would get an erotic feeling. But now that's not the challenge anymore. I'm not attracted to danger, pain, or anything like that at all. Zero. Now I'm attracted to connection, to what lives and what flows.

You said that operation was just three years ago . Also it’s a recurring theme in your posts ..you tend to shit on people who oversimplify enlightenment and sing about how you had it tough for your whole life while those neo advaita types have soft asses lol.

[Eskilon]

47 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Why would anyone dead serious about awakening hang out on a forum ?

It makes sense if you are on the path learning or you achieved and came back to society, because what else is there to do?

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You said that operation was just three years ago . Also it’s a recurring theme in your posts ..you tend to shit on people who oversimplify enlightenment and sing about how you had it tough for your whole life while those neo advaita types have soft asses lol.

Yes but like 1,5 years ago that tendency, or whatever it was, disappeared. If I see a boxing match, or someone free soloing, sailing in Antarctica, or anything dangerous/painful, I think: what a stupidity, man. Whereas before I used to think: give me more poison, please. Sex is fine, but compared to a fight, what a joke.

Then at some point, all of that completely vanished. I haven't read a novel, watched a movie, or sought out anything outside of what it is now. And risking breaking bones and becoming paralyzed seems like the stupidest thing a human being could do. It's much better flow with the flow, open your heart, enjoy the breeze and the beauty. 

But when you have, let's say a barrier of fear in your psyche that is vibrating full time creating a separation, the only thing that you want is breaking that barrier, because it's keeping you far of yourself, exiled in the desert, in the dry dead and lonely prison. 

[James123]

On 4/2/2026 at 5:42 PM, Eskilon said:

Can you maintain your awakening if I cut your arm off? Will you scream in agony or will your laugh in ecstasy because you know you are not that and you are cutting yourself?

Are you so intoxicated with reality that you will laugh even if I cut your hands and feet? Will you go completly against the society and political order for God's sake, even knowing fully that you will get killed and tortured? How deep is your devotion to Reality?

İt is not being of intoxicated or amazing state. 

İt is about disappearing or death of the self. What remains is You.

Forgot even body, entire universe arises and falls within You.

So, cut the arm of, if it will happen let it be.

No one can change what will happen next second. And when you deeply know this, controlling disseappears therefore you die. 

[Someone here]

32 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

It makes sense if you are on the path learning or you achieved and came back to society, because what else is there to do?

I see but it can also become the biggest problem for people to actually get there . This phone you are holding now..it’s a double edged sword ..can save your life or ruin your life .

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but like 1,5 years ago that tendency, or whatever it was, disappeared. If I see a boxing match, or someone free soloing, sailing in Antarctica, or anything dangerous/painful, I think: what a stupidity, man. Whereas before I used to think: give me more poison, please. Sex is fine, but compared to a fight, what a joke.

Then at some point, all of that completely vanished. I haven't read a novel, watched a movie, or sought out anything outside of what it is now. And risking breaking bones and becoming paralyzed seems like the stupidest thing a human being could do. It's much better flow with the flow, open your heart, enjoy the breeze and the beauty. 

But when you have, let's say a barrier of fear in your psyche that is vibrating full time creating a separation, the only thing that you want is breaking that barrier, because it's keeping you far of yourself, exiled in the desert, in the dry dead and lonely prison. 

There is some sweetness to struggling. My happiest moments were when I achieved high grades in high school after studying and studying for multiple sleepless nights in a row and then when you see the good grades you feel amazing . It’s something that just happens in the brain . It’s called the reward circuit. Because our ancestors had to run and sweat to survive either by hunting animals or running away from animals and this would release dopamine in the brain because it is an activity that supports the survival ..and that’s why when we exercise or lift weights we feel good .

you get tired of that tough with age and you feel like you want to rest .  a limbo phase . 
I appreciate you man.

[Breakingthewall]

49 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Hmm, I think it does have relationship with enlightenment. Because enlightenment, as far as I understand is a transcendence of your psychology, your agenda and wants. If you can fully merge yourself with a feeling and not react negatively that means that you have a least a higher than average consciousness or you are enlightened lol.

Enlightenment isn't that; it's the dissolution of the barriers that make you perceive yourself limited, so you can perceive yourself as the totality. But not as "the whole" in the sense of: "Ah, I am the whole, not an individual" , but as the opening of your mind and heart to what the total is, to its unfathomable depth and boundless vitality, to what you are, not as an idea or concept, but truly. It doesn't means that you have to transcend your psyche, you have to make your psyche aligned enough to stop being a barrier. It's very different 

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