Reading books daily is lame

[YIDIRYIDIR]

@Basman this just proves my point. school is memorization and indoctrination, you think school is for learning? 

all i learned in school is what I'm curious about, the rest is subjects i forced my self to study for grades. 

[Basman]

1 minute ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

@Basman this just proves my point. school is memorization and indoctrination, you think school is for learning? 

all i learned in school is what I'm curious about, the rest is subjects i forced my self to study for grades. 

There are also people who find school interesting. Your acting like your experience is universal.

[Ulax]

23 minutes ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

@Ulax Let's take your example of wanting to make a historical theory: 

You would be acting like a researcher, you would be curious all the time. because what got you to making that theory in the first place? Curiosity. you'll likely get into a phase of intense research where you find it effortless to read books without caring about how much you read, all you care about is to satisfy your curiosity, get answers. once you get those answers, reading becomes useless. after that, you'll move to another phase of theorizing and deep implementation and synthesis where you take more action than learning. that'll probably trigger more curiosity and the cycle continues. 

I can definitely see some benefits to that.

But in any skill development there are various traps that people tend to fall into. One of the roles of foundational learning is to make people not fall into those traps. Relying on curiosity alone to ensure you cover material sufficient to not fall into those traps is a difficult one I'd say.

[YIDIRYIDIR]

@Basman They might find it interesting, but not for learning reasons. it's either for teacher's and peer validation, or for status, or identity, or other unrelated reasons. No absolute single one person on earth who's sole purpose is learning for learning's sake loves the educational system. 

Edited 16 hours ago by YIDIRYIDIR

[YIDIRYIDIR]

5 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I can definitely see some benefits to that.

But in any skill development there are various traps that people tend to fall into. One of the roles of foundational learning is to make people not fall into those traps. Relying on curiosity alone to ensure you cover material sufficient to not fall into those traps is a difficult one I'd say.

So reading daily would be motivated by fear? what if you can't avoid every trap there is? 

[Ulax]

1 minute ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

So reading daily would be motivated by fear? what if you can't avoid every trap there is? 

Maybe motivated by fear, but source of motivation doesn't matter in this context. What matters is having better education. If that better education is motivated by fear, then so be it.

I'd say its not a binary thing of avoiding every trap or not. Its just about maximising the traps you avoid, and especially about making sure you maximise avoiding the important ones. 

[YIDIRYIDIR]

16 minutes ago, Ulax said:

Maybe motivated by fear, but source of motivation doesn't matter in this context. What matters is having better education. If that better education is motivated by fear, then so be it.

I'd say its not a binary thing of avoiding every trap or not. Its just about maximising the traps you avoid, and especially about making sure you maximise avoiding the important ones. 

That's playing defence. also that won't guarantee better education, especially that you have to force yourself to read aka descipline, and forget 90% of what you read because our minds aren't designed for memorization. i might start pulling scientific studies and statistics at this point lol 

it's a simple thing, we learn what we use, and what matters to us in specific personal contexts.  how much of that "general knowledge" that all of us memorized that you remember now? no matter how important it is? the answer would be just the facts that you either used to fulfill whatever purpose, or was curious about when you learned it, and still matters to you now*. 

Edited 16 hours ago by YIDIRYIDIR

[Basman]

7 hours ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

@Basman They might find it interesting, but not for learning reasons. it's either for teacher's and peer validation, or for status, or identity, or other unrelated reasons. No absolute single one person on earth who's sole purpose is learning for learning's sake loves the educational system. 

You don't know that. Your being really close minded and argumentative. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

You don't know, what you don't know.

[Joseph Maynor]

I read a lot of books, but now I realize books are more about inspiration to me than information at this point.

[Lila9]

Reading books is not lame. It is a source of high-quality information.

If you are a curious person who loves to learn and expand your horizons, books are perfect for that. There are books about anything and everything.

There are many advantages to reading books, including novels.

Reading trains our brain to focus (an antidote to a short attention span), improves memory, helps us hold complicated and nuanced ideas, strengthens critical thinking, and expands the imagination and more.

If you read like a robot just to memorize things, you are doing it wrong.

You should read slowly and contemplate the material you read.

Books give you material to chew on. You don’t even have to agree with the author!

You can argue with the author (in your mind or in notes).

As a remedy and an antidote to your hubris, I recommend reading at least 30 minutes daily.

Start with The Shallows by Nicholas Carr and Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman to understand how illiteracy and people who don’t read books can negatively affect society on many levels. You guys with your illiterate mentally bring a lot of trouble upon us. 

 

 

[YIDIRYIDIR]

@Lila9  you read the title and responded. i didn't say reading book is bad. read the post and replies

[YIDIRYIDIR]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

. You guys with your illiterate mentally bring a lot of trouble upon us. 

what the fuck ? i didn't even see this line haha. bro you live in your own world and assumptions. understand what i said first. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

13 minutes ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

@Lila9  you read the title and responded. i didn't say reading book is bad. read the post and replies

Are you trying to insinuate the title isn't clickbait in some way? 💀💀💀

A notice a pattern: 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[YIDIRYIDIR]

44 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Are you trying to insinuate the title isn't clickbait in some way? 💀💀💀

A notice a pattern: 

 

No, the title is accurate and not clickbait. i said "reading books DAILY is lame" i said daily. then i explained in my post. 

and for that "what?" post, that's april fools, i said it in replies. If you guys just want a straw man to criticize the fuck out, just lemme know and imma make a stupid post to satisfy your needs. 

Edited 4 hours ago by YIDIRYIDIR

[YIDIRYIDIR]

5 hours ago, Basman said:

You don't know that. Your being really close minded and argumentative. 

you have you opinion and i have mine. if argumentating an idea considered close mindedness, then everyone wouldn't know shit. am i supposed to say "well i might be wrong, on fact, I'm probably wrong, and won't even stand behind my idea because I'm open minded, I'm open to being wrong so i will never be sure"

[YIDIRYIDIR]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You don't know, what you don't know.

i told you what i know, tell me what you know!

what's going on? this forum is supposed to be for idea exchange and discussions, not for emotional debate. I'm just standing behind my idea from what i learned, not attacking anyone, not hating on any idea or anyone.

[Lila9]

1 hour ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

@Lila9  you read the title and responded. i didn't say reading book is bad. read the post and replies

 

1 hour ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

what the fuck ? i didn't even see this line haha. bro you live in your own world and assumptions. understand what i said first. 

Hahaha Ok dude. You sound really triggered out of nowhere in your attempts to defend your weak argument. 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Reading trains our brain to focus (an antidote to a short attention span), improves memory, helps us hold complicated and nuanced ideas, strengthens critical thinking, and expands the imagination and more.

Do you agree that there are advantages to reading, right?

How do you think you would gain those advantages if you read only once in a while?

The advantages of reading require consistency. 

Reading once in a while it's like trying to lose weight by running and eating only apples once a month just because you are in the “mood”. 

This is ok by the way if you are not a type of a person to do anything daily but just because you don't like or enjoy it doesn't mean that it's not beneficial for others or lame. 

It’s much better than a daily TikTok scroll for hours or trolling decent forum members with nonsense.

[YIDIRYIDIR]

@Lila9 but you're still not understanding the point I'm making. I'm not saying "read only when you feel like it". You're making a straw man otta my ass. 

[YIDIRYIDIR]

21 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

It’s much better than a daily TikTok scroll for hours or trolling decent forum members with nonsense.

i don't have a problem that you don't like me personally, 

22 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

This is ok by the way if you are not a type of a person to do anything daily but just because you don't like or enjoy it doesn't mean that it's not beneficial for others or lame.

You keep making this personal. just discuss and debate my idea, not me. you are making appeals to authority to discredit my idea, i could be a bum in the street and my idea could still be right. 

I get it, my idea triggers identity, my bad next time i will deliver my ideas better while taking in account people's fragile egos.