depression from being smart

[UnbornTao]

21 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

No.

Press X to doubt.

[CARDOZZO]

37 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Press X to doubt.

 

Depression is a serious case of a disorderly mental activity + physiology. These days everyone wants to have something. 

PTSD was something that only war veterans had,

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[YIDIRYIDIR]

@PolyPeter okay now the picture is clearer. so would you say the breakthrough happens once one is conscious of what God is and what existence is? then comes the emotional work that'll serve as a way out? 

if we all compress that into one sentence, would it be "truth shall set you free" ?

[UnbornTao]

5 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

 

Depression is a serious case of a disorderly mental activity + physiology. These days everyone wants to have something. 

PTSD was something that only war veterans had,

It can be as simple and commonplace as a feeling of hopelessness or despair - in that ballpark.

PTSD is a more serious condition. Depression is a feeling or emotional state. 

[YIDIRYIDIR]

@CARDOZZO let's just focus on the point. using depression in this context should be taken lightly, and understand it as this pop culture version of it. 

[PolyPeter]

2 minutes ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

truth shall set you free

yes

I think've heard that before... hahaha

but why would you compress it? can you expand on the idea?

what are some other implications of infinity/god?

 

If God is Truth, and you are God, then You are Truth

and then Truth shall set Truth free 

 

 

[CARDOZZO]

36 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Depression is a feeling or emotional state. 

Disagree on this. 

Depression is a web of feeling states, behaviors, POVs, physical conditions, emotional conditions, breathing patterns, eating paterns.

I think it is much more serious than just feeling or emotion. 

[PolyPeter]

Just now, CARDOZZO said:

I think it is much more serious than just feeling or emotion. 

and is not just a human thing

[YIDIRYIDIR]

@PolyPeter

Just now, PolyPeter said:

but why would you compress it?  

biggest picture helps with understanding stuff accurately so i don't misunderstand you.

[CARDOZZO]

There is a tendency to hold depression as a normal thing nowadays. No amount of meditation or letting go would replace vitamin B or vitamin C.

[UnbornTao]

4 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Disagree on this. 

Depression is a web of feeling states, behaviors, POVs, physical conditions, emotional conditions, breathing patterns, eating paterns.

I think it is much more serious than just feeling or emotion. 

The emotion itself is one thing, and the consequences or side effects of it are another.

You get sad, enthusiastic, bored, and interested just as you get depressed, lonely, jealous, or apathetic. It doesn't have to be this huge dramatic thing. Have you ever felt despair at the prospect of your life, a sense that could be summarized as "What's the point? Where is my life headed?" That feeling state could loosely be called 'being depressed'. It's based on a relationship to an imagined future that is seen as negative or hopeless.

[CARDOZZO]

37 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

The emotion itself is one thing, and the consequences or side effects of it are another.

You get sad, enthusiastic, bored, and interested just as you get depressed, lonely, jealous, or apathetic. It doesn't have to be this huge dramatic thing. Have you ever felt despair at the prospect of your life, a sense that could be summarized as "What's the point? Where is my life headed?" That feeling state could loosely be called 'being depressed'. It's based on a relationship to an imagined future that is seen as negative or hopeless.

I think depression is a unspecified term. There is a lot of baggage projected on this word. 

I don't like this word.

Also, I don't think you can be depressed so easily. Depression is a constant state of apathy + suicidal thoughts + a lot of other things.

 

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[UnbornTao]

7 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

I think depression is a unspecified term. There is a lot of baggage projected on this word. 

I don't like this word.

Also, I don't think you can be depressed so easily. Depression is a constant state of apathy + suicidal thoughts + a lot of other things.

You can, and you do, just as you get angry. Perhaps.

What does a negative future have to do with it? That's one key component. It can't occur without you imagining a future.

It doesn't have to be constant. And I don't think having suicidal thoughts is necessary at all for it to exist - that's called being suicidal. It might be related to the depression but isn't necessarily the same thing. It's possible that it is a reaction to feeling depressed.

And, despite what is said and thought about it, what is it for real?

Some food for inquiry.

[LastThursday]

10 hours ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

i believe "the more smart and aware the more depressed" is true

don't they say ignorance is bliss? being smart breaks the magic of life by being shown the trick of how things actually work. being smart also means being aware of the bigger picture and how you lack choice and control in a lot things. that feeling of loss of control can give you depression. but being even smarter allows you to counteract being emotionally triggered by thoughts and circumstances and take back some control over your state.

[CARDOZZO]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

You can, and you do, just as you get angry. Perhaps.

I don't think that you just had a feeling 1x and then you are depressed out of nowhere. As I said, I think depression is something more profund than just a specific feeling on a specific timestamp. It is like a belief, a hidden POV, something that you exist as, persist as some form + physical conditions.

Feeling sad or apathic is not depression. If people say they are depressed everytime they feel sadness, we would have a general pandemic of depression on the entire world.

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

It doesn't have to be constant.

Real depression is terrible. People can't even wake up from bed. I think you are being reductionist on your perspective. We all know Ralston says that we can stop things out of nowhere but I would not generalize this principle.

[CARDOZZO]

I'll always try to approach things from a systemic/holistic perspective (self-help, diet, exercise, science, spirituality, religion, technology, consciousness work). I don't believe in a silver bullet or one-size-fits-all solution.

 

[CARDOZZO]

Interesting take on depression

 

[UnbornTao]

2 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

I don't think that you just had a feeling 1x and then you are depressed out of nowhere. As I said, I think depression is something more profund than just a specific feeling on a specific timestamp. It is like a belief, a hidden POV, something that you exist as, persist as some form + physical conditions.

That might be. On the other hand, it can just be an emotion. Notice that we aren't talking about severity but about its source. We're not even dealing with the side effects and other accompanying factors attached to the feeling. Try to get depressed now. See what occurs in your experience. Boom. Magic. You got depressed. Now what? What's going on?

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Feeling sad or apathic is not depression. If people say they are depressed everytime they feel sadness, we would have a general pandemic of depression on the entire world.

Real depression is terrible. People can't even wake up from bed. I think you are being reductionist on your perspective. We all know Ralston says that we can stop things out of nowhere but I would not generalize this principle.

How do you think you get depressed? Or angry?

It's not out of nowhere but out of you.

Do you think an external event has to occur to justify the existence of the emotion?

An example I like to use is actors. Good actors know how to bring about the necessary feeling states to their performance. Excellent actors don't just fake their emotions but actually feel them.

Sadness and apathy were brought up as different emotional states in the same category as depression. The point is that you can get depressed, happy, enthusiastic, loving, etc.

To clarify what you said in your other reply: there's easily a lot of victimization around these things, where people may feel the need to give way more importance to their emotional states than they deserve - in the sense that they're taken as objectively true and real, and generated by 'the world.' This we agree on. What I'm saying is - everyone gets depressed from time to time, you included. It's not an esoteric thing. It can simply be a minor emotional upheaval, disturbance. It comes and it goes, like any other emotion.

If you explore it you can get a sense of what the depression is and what it is doing - what purpose it is serving for you, since you're generating it to serve some purpose, whatever that is. Again, barring physiological malfunction of some kind.

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[Lila9]

In my opinion, depression in this modern, stressful, meaningless, and nihilistic society arises because it is not aligned with our emotional, psychological, and spiritual needs as human beings.

It is something most people experience at least once in their life. I think depression is a normal, rational, and healthy reaction to this type of society. When society is sick, it is natural to feel depressed and anxious.

This is not a personal failure but a systemic issue.

The scary people are those who can live in this dead environment without feeling depressed or anxious, probably because they delude themselves, cope in some way, or due to genetic factors. Delusion in particular can be a great help in surviving such an environment. Narcissistic people are very good at it.

However, not everyone can delude themselves to that extent.

The most depressed people are usually the most realistic ones.

I think that if society were more ritualistic, valued play as much as work, and embraced more feminine qualities, people would be less depressed.

Highly intelligent people are often socially isolated and misunderstood, which can contribute to depression. But I don’t think high intelligence alone causes it.

Anyone can become depressed if their basic needs aren’t met, humans and animals alike.

In my opinion, the best cure for depression (besides sleep, exercise, nutrition, etc.) is to find ways to meet the psychological, emotional and spiritual needs that the system fails to provide.