Matt Dillahunty on Solipsism

[Monster Energy]

 

[Toranvor]

 

[Willy Phallicus]

It's just you.  

[Hojo]

He a retard

[Joseph Maynor]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

He a retard

How so?

[Monster Energy]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

He a retard

He has one of the most brilliant minds out there, no doubt. But his personality can be really hard to deal with, he comes off arrogant and difficult. I honestly wish someone could properly humble him in a debate, but no one seems to have managed it yet.

 

[Hojo]

@Joseph MaynorHe dosent have intelligence. He ends the discussion with people have stopped watching as if thats a win. He says its useless. How does he know its useless? 

You have to prove to me that other minds exist! Now you are just pigheaded!

He dosent make any logical rebuttals and dosent entertain the idea at all but thinks he is and thinks hes being smart.

He does this is in every video. He just insults people and thinks hes making logical arguments.

Edited 10 hours ago by Hojo

[Hojo]

@Monster EnergyIts not brilliant, thats a joke. His mind is retarded. Name one brilliant thing matt dillahunty has conjured up himself? 

He wont have a proper debate.

Id argue hes one of the dumbest people on the internet. I was at his intelligence level at 15.

I bet 100 dollars he secretly wears a diaper and shits in it off camera.

Edited 10 hours ago by Hojo

[Monster Energy]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Monster EnergyIts not brilliant, thats a joke. His mind is retarded. Name one brilliant thing matt dillahunty has conjured up himself? 

He wont have a proper debate.

I agree he’s not great at debates lately. It turns into shutting people down instead of actually talking it through.

But that doesn’t mean he’s not intelligent. When he’s calm, he can argue well.

Right now it just feels like his attitude is getting in the way.

 

[Hojo]

@Monster EnergyIn his words demonstrate how his attitude hasnt been getting in the way the entire time. 

Hes falling deeper into the insanity now but has always just insulted anyone who dosent beleive in science. When hes never demonstrated science himself. His pastor scientists have.

Hes not intelligent he is intellectual. He read some science stuff and regurgitate it.

And hes even bad at intellectual as he always resorts to name calling over logic.

He dosent even understand philosophy.

Edited 10 hours ago by Hojo

[Joseph Maynor]

It seems to me this turns on what we mean by mind.  

[Monster Energy]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Monster EnergyIn his words demonstrate how his attitude hasnt been getting in the way the entire time. 

Hes falling deeper into the insanity now but has always just insulted anyone who dosent beleive in science. When hes never demonstrated science himself. His pastor scientists have.

Hes not intelligent he is intellectual. He read some science stuff and regurgitate it.

And hes even bad at intellectual as he always resorts to name calling over logic.

He dosent even understand philosophy.

The issue with Matt is that he can be very biased and not as skeptical as he claims to be, especially when it comes to questions about existence and the nature of reality.

At the same time, he’s very good at spotting falsehoods and calling out illogical arguments from other ideologies.

But I think if he was ever fully honest with his own position, and didn’t build such a strong identity around atheism and materialism, he might end up becoming more spiritual, like Leo for example, not in a religious way, but in a deeper sense.

 

[Joseph Maynor]

The elephant in the room is there's a psychedelic connection to solipsism or to that insight anyway. 

[Osaid]

20 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

The elephant in the room is there's a psychedelic connection to solipsism or to that insight anyway.

True. Psychedelics are "instant", like getting teleported up to the sky, so the mind scrambles to create lots of paradigms to make sense.

It's hard to think you're a human when you have the body of a crocodile, for example. For the mind to interface with that would require a new belief system or idea about reality. So-called "metaphysics". When it wears off and the human body comes back, thought just refers to time or a past and then it actually seems like something changed about experience because of a psychedelic or something, which is hilarious.

When the "ownership" of experience is washed away, the finite-thought-perceiver scrambles to stabilize in the old paradigm of separation (subject-object) and goes "am I the only one experiencing this?", which is an obvious experiential recursion and therefore unreal (based on something other than experience). It's just the same old "I-story" but more metaphysical this time.

The only way for mind to make sense is recursion, though, so label it as solipsism and make it sound all fancy and call it a day.

[Joseph Maynor]

25 minutes ago, Osaid said:

True. Psychedelics are "instant", like getting teleported up to the sky, so the mind scrambles to create lots of paradigms to make sense.

It's hard to think you're a human when you have the body of a crocodile, for example. For the mind to interface with that would require a new belief system or idea about reality. So-called "metaphysics". When it wears off and the human body comes back, thought just refers to time or a past and then it actually seems like something changed about experience because of a psychedelic or something, which is hilarious.

When the "ownership" of experience is washed away, the finite-thought-perceiver scrambles to stabilize in the old paradigm of separation (subject-object) and goes "am I the only one experiencing this?", which is an obvious experiential recursion and therefore unreal (based on something other than experience). It's just the same old "I-story" but more metaphysical this time.

The only way for mind to make sense is recursion, though, so label it as solipsism and make it sound all fancy and call it a day.

Psychedelics are interesting because although they're thought, commonly, to be fantasy, they're actually direct experience.  It depends on how we want to define direct experience.  

[Osaid]

5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Psychedelics are interesting because although they're thought, commonly, to be fantasy, they're actually direct experience.  It depends on how we want to define direct experience.

Yeah, in that sense, it reminds me of how people commonly treat dreams. Silly, unreal, vanishes when you wake up (or when the psych wears off, analogously). Essentially taken for granted in terms of an experience, but ultimately "real" and "direct" as something that is experienced and talked about by people.

Though the real question is, how would experience ever become indirect?

Edited 9 hours ago by Osaid

[Joseph Maynor]

11 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Yeah, in that sense, it reminds me of how people commonly treat dreams. Silly, unreal, vanishes when you wake up (or when the psych wears off, analogously). Essentially taken for granted in terms of an experience, but ultimately "real" and "direct" as something that is experienced and talked about by people.

Though the real question is, how would experience ever become indirect?

The idea of dream is actually key here and it comes up in theory.  But is direct experience the same as or analogous to a dream?  That seems to imply an intervening thought.

[Osaid]

19 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

But is direct experience the same as or analogous to a dream?  That seems to imply an intervening thought.

It's a way of describing experience, but that wouldn't be experienced. So right, it's a thought that compares experience. The word is not the thing type of deal.

I know lots of people like to describe it as a dream, but I find that to be a bit poetic or flamboyant. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Osaid

[Willy Phallicus]

One is the loneliest number.

[Osaid]

38 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

One is the loneliest number.

If triangles had a God they would give it 3 sides. 

Nice name btw.