What actually is Israel?

[Rafael Thundercat]

Real Question, what is Israel? Because it seems to have a crucial step to either a horrible future or in case of Revolution a step to a greater world.

[Elliott]

European colony

[Ramasta9]

I was once told a story about the jews and that they were originally humanoid ET's from a slightly more evolved planet who crash landed here some time ago and became corrupted because there was a vibrational mismatch to the consciousness of the planet.

Due to their above average intelligence / consciousness, they could easily manipulate the humans who currently lived on earth and greed and evil took over, hence why they rule the world today, created all the wars and funded both sides, manipulated and twisted all the religions, educations, science, medicines ect... and why the richest and most materialistically powerful are all of the same bloodlines and most of the world-leads are off-shoots of their original family bloodlines.

Don't mind me, I'm just a conspiracy theorist  It was a fun story tho 

Edited 16 hours ago by Ramasta9

[Cred]

US military base

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

It's essentially a modern day crusader state. Situated in the exact same geographical area, waging a war against muslims inspired by the same books (only with a different flavour of christianity), commiting attrocities, just on a larger scale. Suffering from the same kinds of logistic issues as it's medieval predecessor due to large distances of it's alies. And currently they're getting wrecked like the last time

[Karmadhi]

To me Israel first in theory sounds like a good idea

However it is fundamentally selfish and very biased

Israel is the idea to give Jewish people a state, which in theory sounds great considering how much Jews have been persecuted especially in Europe

However, the core fundamental issue is that that state was created at the expense of others who were already living there for centuries

It is the idea "lets give this dude a house because he is homeless but he ll take over half the house of someone else who has been living there for decades"

Was it their land originally? Perhaps

I am no expert

However, the way it was established and the location to me was not right

Perhaps creating it in a non populated vast area like Russia or Canada or Saudi Arabia would be better idea

Basically Europe who dominated the world at the time after treating Jewish people like absolute crap for 2000 years, felt bad and decided to carve up some land for them while totally ignoring the needs of people who were already living there because they did not consider those people worthy of even being listened too since they saw them as a mere colony.

And it gets even worse considering those people who got screwed over did not even participate in the 2000 years of Jewish oppression.

Edited 7 hours ago by Karmadhi

[enchanted]

Dude Isreal for sure is legitimate, it's right in the name: Isreal = Is Real

Other countries are fake and don't exist lol

Edited 2 hours ago by enchanted

[Karmadhi]

16 minutes ago, enchanted said:

Due Isreal for sure is legitimate, it's right in the name: Isreal = Is Real

LMAO I never noticed that  

[TheSomeBody]

come here to visit and see for yourself and know the truth. probably you will get better ideas rather than this circle jerk

[Karmadhi]

2 minutes ago, TheSomeBody said:

come here to visit and see for yourself and know the truth. probably you will get better ideas rather than this circle jerk

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/15/israeli-police-kill-two-young-palestinian-boys-and-their-parents-in-west-bank

To see this in real life instead of reading it?

Would be interesting to hear this statement in real life too

The attack on the Bani Odeh family brought the number of Palestinians killed to 11. Two brothers survived the shooting. Khaled, 11, the oldest of the siblings, said he had heard his mother crying and his father praying before they died.

After the gunfire stopped, Israeli border police dragged him out of the wreckage, taunted him about the murders of his family and attacked him. One of the Israelis said “we killed dogs”, he told Reuters.

No thank you, I do not like to witness such evil in real life, reading it boils my blood enough

[TheSomeBody]

1 minute ago, Karmadhi said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/15/israeli-police-kill-two-young-palestinian-boys-and-their-parents-in-west-bank

To see this in real life instead of reading it?

Would be interesting to hear this statement in real life too

The attack on the Bani Odeh family brought the number of Palestinians killed to 11. Two brothers survived the shooting. Khaled, 11, the oldest of the siblings, said he had heard his mother crying and his father praying before they died.

After the gunfire stopped, Israeli border police dragged him out of the wreckage, taunted him about the murders of his family and attacked him. One of the Israelis said “we killed dogs”, he told Reuters.

No thank you, I do not like to witness such evil in real life, reading it boils my blood enough

do you expect the army / police to be tip top of everything they do? they wont. it happends here as in other places too.
it is just part of the reality here, there is no secrete devily. most of the palestinian have normal life and days 

[Karmadhi]

10 minutes ago, TheSomeBody said:

it happends here as in other places too.
it is just part of the reality here, there is no secrete devily. most of the palestinian have normal life and days 

I live in Western Europe and this never happens there, nowhere in Europe actually except perhaps occupied Ukraine

In USA it happened 2 times with no childreen involved nor any such barbaric statements and it made national headlines globally for many days

The fact that you consider this "business as usual" shows how horrible things are down there in West Bank

If some Palestinian had killed 4 Israeli civilizans including 2 childreen and called them dogs you guys would have totally lost your shit and went on a rampage

Close to 1000 people in the West Bank have been killed since October 7th, the same number of Israelis that were killed in that attack. From them 250 have been childreen (1/4), compared to 40 Israeli childreen killed in October 7th attacks.

If you kill 250 childreen in 2.5 years it shows a lot about you.

Since you say "this happens in other places too", no, it does not

I do not recall 1000 civilizans including 250 childreen being killed by authorities in less than 3 years in USA or Europe

Even if there is a mistake (once in a blue moon), they do not call the victism dogs!

That says enough that they do not even care that they shoot childreen and innocent civilians

You finding this normal tells me all I need to know about that place.

Disgusting double standards and dehumanizion you have towards Palestinians!

Edited 5 hours ago by Karmadhi

[TheSomeBody]

1 minute ago, Karmadhi said:

I live in Western Europe and this never happens there, nowhere in Europe actually except perhaps occupied Ukraine

In USA it happened 2 times with no childreen involved nor any such barbaric statements and it made national headlines globally for many days

The fact that you consider this "business as usual" shows how horrible things are down there in West Bank

If some Palestinian had killed 4 Israeli civilizans including 2 childreen and called them dogs you guys would have totally lost your shit and went on a rampage

Disgusting double standards and dehumanizion

it is very simple, it is win lose situation. either we are the aggressors, or they will be aggressive to us. there is no win win option so far.
i prefer to be aggressive rather than letting terrorists doing mass shooting every day.
i am sad that this is the situation and i hope those things wont happend again, but it will. this is the price of protecting yourself here.
same as we pay the price of having nice things at the price destroying the environment,exploting people and making huge damage to humans, animals and the environment.
you probably participating in this too, but it is too far for you to see yourself as responsible.
so this is the price i am paying for protecting myself. no one will leave here , jews or arabs so eventually it will a better reality for both. no one is evil.
i dont really getting why you care about this topic so much. their population is so small. you can save way more life and suffering in other topics with this kind of engagement.

[Karmadhi]

1 hour ago, TheSomeBody said:

it is very simple, it is win lose situation. either we are the aggressors, or they will be aggressive to us. there is no win win option so far.
i prefer to be aggressive rather than letting terrorists doing mass shooting every day.
i am sad that this is the situation and i hope those things wont happend again, but it will. this is the price of protecting yourself here.
same as we pay the price of having nice things at the price destroying the environment,exploting people and making huge damage to humans, animals and the environment.
you probably participating in this too, but it is too far for you to see yourself as responsible.
so this is the price i am paying for protecting myself. no one will leave here , jews or arabs so eventually it will a better reality for both. no one is evil.

Maybe give Palestinians their own state like you have yours, kick out all the settlers and build a big wall so you will not have terrorism anymore?

Why not that? Sacrifice land for peace

You do not want peace, you want land. 

1 hour ago, TheSomeBody said:

i dont really getting why you care about this topic so much. their population is so small. you can save way more life and suffering in other topics with this kind of engagement.

I am not a politican, i am a watcher of Leo and I have been on this forum for years. I engage in other topics too.

However the amount of devilry and biases I see from Zionism is unmatched in the 21st century

Not to mention there are a lot of threads existing already like this one and i join in

 

[TheSomeBody]

16 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Maybe give Palestinians their own state like you have yours, kick out all the settlers and build a big wall so you will not have terrorism anymore?

Why not that? Sacrifice land for peace

You do not want peace, you want land. 

I am not a politican, i am a watcher of Leo and I have been on this forum for years. I engage in other topics too.

However the amount of devilry and biases I see from Zionism is unmatched in the 21st century

Not to mention there are a lot of threads existing already like this one and i join in

 

we did it in gaza, they had their own place, and we had worst than the west bank so no thanks.
moreover, if gaza would be under israel control they would probably would have better life too and less wars and instability.

like how we are worst than other places? are we worst than isis? than iran? than the explotation of 3rd world? we are not that bad. there is an active conflict here , it is not just random deaths

Edited 2 hours ago by TheSomeBody

[Karmadhi]

27 minutes ago, TheSomeBody said:

we did it in gaza, they had their own place, and we had worst than the west bank so no thanks.

That is not a state. A state would be the equivalent of Jordan. Until you do that, you have not tried properly.

27 minutes ago, TheSomeBody said:

like how we are worst than other places? are we worst than isis? than iran?

That is a low standard to be fair to compare with ISIS. You are worse than USA, worse than Europe, worse than Iran and on par with Russia. In terms of the ways you conduct warfare. In terms of human rights abuses on par with Russia and not as bad as Iran.

Since you guys claim to be a Western style liberal democracy I compare you with Europe and USA and not random Jihadist regimes. If you stop claiming to be as morally advanced as Europe or USA then I will become more soft in my criticizm. 

I am holding you to same standard I hold UK, France and USA here.

And in none of those countries do state forces shoot childreen and say 'we shot dogs" !

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Karmadhi

[TheSomeBody]

4 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

That is not a state. A state would be the equivalent of Jordan. Until you do that, you have not tried properly.

That is a low standard to be fair to compare with ISIS. You are worse than USA, worse than Europe, worse than Iran and on par with Russia. In terms of the ways you conduct warfare. In terms of human rights abuses on par with Russia and not as bad as Iran.

 

 

1. what is the diffrence between what they had and jordan? they could come to israel freely, without a barrier , they choose their own rules, could buy anything from anywhere. the restrictions came after terror attacks , not before.

you comper us to contries that dont have wars... they dont even have the chance to do a war crime 

[Shermaningeorgia]

It's a Jewish state formed as a result of a long Zionist process, and boosted by the Holocaust's aftermath.