Thoughts on Experience

[Nemra]

I was thinking about how are people able to point to and be aware of things in your experience if their POV is imagined by you.

How is it possible that it is imagined, yet what they say can happen to you?

If they are aware of their experiences, then their experience must exist; yet, it doesn't.

If it exists as a totally separate thing, then we have more than one instance of experience.

However, if your experience is all there is, then the experience of another person should be all there is too.

Interestingly, every person you meet will tell you that they are also having an experience.

Paradoxically, every possible experience that there could be must be your experience otherwise you would limit yourself to only your lifetime's experience; however, they aren't happening to you as of the moment.

What do you think is going to come into existence when you die? How can it be that you somehow came into existence to have your experience and then you die and vanish, but then another thing or even person (that is not you) comes into existence with their experience after you die? That's absurd.

You cannot claim to be everything and then say the POV of another is not yours, even if it's not accessible to you.

The implication of this is very tough to swallow, because you would be everyone you hate, not only in terms of appearance (i.e., those people who appear to you), but also in terms of experience, because you would literally go through everyone's experience.

Edited 20 hours ago by Nemra

[Toranvor]

You might be treating “other people’s experiences” as something real, when in fact they are just ideas within your own experience. All you ever directly encounter are people’s words, actions, and appearances in your experience. That would be my guess.

[Nemra]

@Toranvor, I would say that the experience of others is nonexistent by the nature of experience, however, people are aware of stuff of your experience, which supposedly is part of their experience.

The problem is that your experience is all there is, and yet my experience is all there is too. They both are happening, and yet one of ours' is all there is.

Do you see the paradox here?

Gosh, I can't even say which of our experiences started happening first.

[Ziran]

16 hours ago, Nemra said:

Gosh, I can't even say which of our experiences started happening first.

Right.  The absolute beginning is beyond.  Begin within the beginning.  The moment immediately proximal to the big-bang.

18 hours ago, Nemra said:

How is it possible that it is imagined, yet what they say can happen to you?

After the big-bang, over the course of billions and billions of years, the pulsing has been gathering into stable relationships.  One of those stable relationships involves accurate sensory feedback cultivated, necessarily, by threat avoidance.   After billions and billions of years, this accuracy of the sensory feedback has become so accurate, that the sensory feedback apparatus is ignored.

 

[Nemra]

31 minutes ago, Ziran said:

Right.  The absolute beginning is beyond.  Begin within the beginning.  The moment immediately proximal to the big-bang.

It's mind-bending stuff.

For each of us, all history in this lifetime becomes relative to or comes after when we were born or started having experiences.

Edited 3 hours ago by Nemra

[Ziran]

18 hours ago, Nemra said:

You cannot claim to be everything and then say the POV of another is not yours, even if it's not accessible to you.

There's 2 major steps to this.  POV is key:  Subject and valence.  Self-inquiry targets the Self.  The valence is inward. 

Step 1:  Take stock. 

What is yours?  Make a list.  Just a list.  What's in-between all of it: this-and-that?  The negative-space, for lack of better words, that distinguishes between the items on the list.  Now, zoom out.  From a distance, in the mind's eye, visualize yourself.  Compare all the "bits-and-bots" with the "in-between".   From here, assuming nothing, presented with this self, constituted of "bits-and-bots" and "in-betweens", probing deeper-and-deeper, on careful examination, it's apparent: there's much-much-more "in-between" than there are "bits-and-bots".   Because of this, it's natural to disassociate with the bits-and-bots in favor of the in-betweens.

Step 2:  Assimilate.

Continue zooming-out, including others in the frame.  Keep going until the "bits-and-bots" dissolve.  The in-betweens, from this vantage, are uniform in their lacking.

Conclusion:  If the Self is defined in terms of the in-betweens, then the POV becomes all inclusive.

[Willy Phallicus]

19 hours ago, Nemra said:

Interestingly, every person you meet will tell you that they are also having an experience.

Paradoxically, every possible experience that there could be must be your experience otherwise you would limit yourself to only your lifetime's experience; however, they aren't happening to you as of the moment.

Whatever you want to be "real" is what will be "real".  You tell yourself they're having their own experience and poof!  They're telling you about all the experiences they are having and you have no reason to doubt them as you see people having their own experiences and you are living your own experience which is their experience and vice versa.  Its a hall of mirrors.  Your dreams are having their own dreams and their dreams are as real to them as your dream is to you.  The whole infinitely powerful god thing in action.  Nothing is off the table - including pretending you're not alone, which you most definitely are.

From the level we are communicating 'paradox' is the only way we "humans" can look at it but while the you can't square the circle in this dimension there are higher dimensions where all such paradoxes resolve themselves.  

19 hours ago, Nemra said:

The implication of this is very tough to swallow, because you would be everyone you hate, not only in terms of appearance (i.e., those people who appear to you), but also in terms of experience, because you would literally go through everyone's experience.

Then don't waste your time hating anyone because its just you hating yourself and you're doing that out of love anyway so don't take life so seriously.  This place is a clusterfuck but maybe rightfully so.

 

[Nemra]

@Willy Phallicus, isn't their dream yours too?

There must be a possibility of you going through their dream and living through it, but not while being in your dream. The same you, but in a different dream.

So, all possible dreams become your dream.

This is different from saying that people currently live in their dreams within my dream.

Edited 1 hour ago by Nemra

[Ziran]

17 minutes ago, Nemra said:

isn't their dream yours too

When comparing cast and mold, which possesses the form?

[Ziran]

19 hours ago, Nemra said:

Do you see the paradox here?

I like "Hyperbolic" better.