Truth vs. Ego

[vibv]

1 minute ago, Monster Energy said:

Every time humans try to reinvent religion it eventually becomes another belief system people start defending like the previous one.

 

Well, all previous attempts were not advanced enough. That shouldn't stop us from keeping on trying.

[Willy Phallicus]

4 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

I’m just not sure humans can fully step outside being human.

Fully? No.  Not while you're occupying a meatsuit.  You can get the occasional taste in the meantime however.

6 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Humans trying to ‘transcend being human’ usually just end up inventing another story about themselves.

If you haven't experienced the reality then to you its just a story.

[Breakingthewall]

43 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Humans trying to ‘transcend being human’ usually just end up inventing another story about themselves.

If anyone does that means that he's not very smart, or better, not very honest with himself. It's quite obvious what's a mental construction and what's real

Edited Friday at 10:15 PM by Breakingthewall

[Willy Phallicus]

37 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If anyone does that means that he's not very smart, or better, not very honest with himself.

Come on now.  

Know Thyself means you know.  

Human vs God is a fluid dynamic without any obvious line of demarcation between the poles - its fuzzy.

 

[Monster Energy]

1 hour ago, vibv said:

Well, all previous attempts were not advanced enough. That shouldn't stop us from keeping on trying.

That’s what every new belief system tends to say about the ones before it.

 

[Monster Energy]

1 hour ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Fully? No.  Not while you're occupying a meatsuit.  You can get the occasional taste in the meantime however.

If you haven't experienced the reality then to you its just a story.

Experiences are real, but the explanations people build around them aren’t always.

 

 

 

[Monster Energy]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

If anyone does that means that he's not very smart, or better, not very honest with himself. It's quite obvious what's a mental construction and what's real

If it were that obvious what’s real and what’s a mental construction, humans probably wouldn’t spend centuries debating it.

 

[Ramasta9]

4 hours ago, Monster Energy said:

Whenever someone starts capitalizing ‘Truth’ and ‘Love,’ I get suspicious we’re drifting from philosophy into poetry.

 

Truth & Love are closer to poetry than philosophy  

I think Manly P Hall said it best: The individual absorbs knowledge, the Truth absorbs the individual.

One must be willing to die to Truth, then one can live truthfully, honestly, authentically.

One can then truly be, thyself. Ego is still there, but totally integrated.

Edited Saturday at 12:02 AM by Ramasta9

[Monster Energy]

3 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Truth & Love are closer to poetry than philosophy  

Fair point. 

 

[Monster Energy]

8 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

I think Manly P Hall said it best: The individual absorbs knowledge, the Truth absorbs the individual.

One must be willing to die to Truth, then one can live truthfully, honestly, authentically.

One can then truly be, thyself. Ego is still there, but totally integrated.

It’s a beautiful metaphor. I’m just not sure it explains much beyond the poetry of it.

 

[vibv]

11 hours ago, Monster Energy said:

That’s what every new belief system tends to say about the ones before it.

 

Sure, but does that mean we should stop progressing?

[Monster Energy]

7 hours ago, vibv said:

Sure, but does that mean we should stop progressing?

No. Progress usually comes from questioning belief systems, not replacing one with another.

 

[vibv]

3 hours ago, Monster Energy said:

No. Progress usually comes from questioning belief systems, not replacing one with another.

 

Youll always have a world view. Which is another word for belief system. You can only invent better, more inclusive, more loving perspectives on Life. There’s no way around this.

You can connect to the Divine very directly, but you still have to interpret that to be able to communicate.

and honestly that’s a great thing. We‘re like Artists of the Divine in that regard. We are its canvas & brush.

[VeganAwake]

On 3/13/2026 at 8:26 AM, Monster Energy said:

Why is the truth better than human desires? Why do you love the truth instead of the ego’s impulses toward pleasure?

 

It's not!

But ego's wants never become satisfied, but that isn't wrong or bad......it's just the way the cookie crumbles