Truth vs. Ego

[Willy Phallicus]

4 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Because pleasure often asks you to ignore the truth.

If its just asking then you don't have to ignore anything.

Some might posit that in the throes of pleasure or pleasure seeking you are avoiding the truth in some way but that's more spiritual dogma than concrete reality. 

Suffering is a terrific catalyst for truth seeking and discovery without a doubt but it's not the only way.

[vibv]

4 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

If truth encompasses everything, then why treat the ego as something opposed to it?

 

Because Truth requires the ego to die again and again, like a serpent shedding its skin.

Egos usually don't like dying, but you can get better at it.

Edited 2 hours ago by vibv

[Monster Energy]

3 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

If its just asking then you don't have to ignore anything.

Some might posit that in the throes of pleasure or pleasure seeking you are avoiding the truth in some way but that's more spiritual dogma than concrete reality. 

Suffering is a terrific catalyst for truth seeking and discovery without a doubt but it's not the only way.

Sure, pleasure isn’t automatically avoiding truth. But it’s often the easiest way to stop looking any deeper.

 

[Monster Energy]

4 minutes ago, vibv said:

Because Truth requires the ego to die again and again, like a serpent shedding its skin.

Egos usually don't like dying, but you can get better at it.

Nothing actually dies. The ego just changes when it sees something truer than the story it was telling itself.

 

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, Monster Energy said:

Sure, pleasure isn’t automatically avoiding truth.

Some people have found truth through pleasure although that probably wasn't there intention.  There are plenty of tales of people finding the infinite through orgasm or looking into the eyes of their newborn child and so on.  

Just now, Monster Energy said:

But it’s often the easiest way to stop looking any deeper.

So would excruciating physical pain.

Just now, Monster Energy said:

Nothing actually dies.

Agreed, 100%.  Ego death is a myth.  It just completely submits when dad is in the room.

[vibv]

15 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Nothing actually dies. The ego just changes when it sees something truer than the story it was telling itself.

 

Haha sure. That wouldn't explain the world we live in right now.

It has to be a knot. And the knot is created by the ego's resistance to die. It's genius design, actually.

That also explains why Evolution keeps accelerating, for the most part. But there are blockades and barriers on the way and we're facing one of the greatest right now (up to now).

All those wars are driven by egos wanting to survive.

Also they don't want to face their shadows, which is why they fight against them in the outside world. But that only makes matters worse.

We need a complete paradigm shift to solve this huge mess we're in right now. And one of the ways to help is by learning to surrender!
Then you can become an arbiter of Love, which looks like Death from an ego's perspective. Which is why they had to kill Jesus.. he was too advanced for his time. He was about to disturb all those systems of powers that were in place, so the collective ego had to find a way to vilify him. Out of the ego's perspective of the time this was completely justified and even normal behaviour for someone so disrupting to the prevailing order.

Is it easy for you to admit when you were wrong? That's one way of knowing how good you are at "just changing" when you see something truer.

Edited 1 hour ago by vibv

[Monster Energy]

6 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Agreed, 100%.  Ego death is a myth.  It just completely submits when dad is in the room.

Exactly. The ego doesn’t die, it just behaves when dad walks in.

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Monster Energy said:

think the ego can cause problems, sure. But without it we probably wouldn’t have art, ambition, or identity either.

 

 

What we call ego It is self-image, the need for group belonging, and the perception of our position within it, driven by emotional impulses implanted in our system by evolution, impossible to ignore, that cause the group to operate as an individual.

What we call liberation from the ego is the understanding of this dynamic, followed by the alchemy in which the system aligns itself, allowing conditioning to lose its energetic charge, leaving an individual free from their primal impulses, operating directly connected to the flow of existence.

How many can even intuit what is the liberation? Few, because when you are in, you are in, you can see only the walls of the box where you live. Mental walls programmed by the evolution of the form. The game is fascinating, seems impossible that something so perfect and complex exist. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall

[Monster Energy]

4 minutes ago, vibv said:

Haha sure. That wouldn't explain the world we live in right now.

It has to be a knot. And the knot is created by the ego's resistance to die. It's genius design, actually.

That also explains why Evolution keeps accelerating, for the most part. But there are blockades and barriers on the way and we're facing one of the greatest right now (up to now).

All those wars are driven by egos wanting to survive.

Also they don't want to face their shadows, which is why they fight against them in the world. But that only makes matters worse.

We need a complete paradigm shift to solve this huge mess we're in right now. And one of the ways to help is by learning to surrender!
Then you can become an arbiter of Love, which looks like Death from an ego's perspective. Which is why they had to kill Jesus.. he was too advanced for his time. He was about to disturb all those systems of powers that were in place, so the collective ego had to find a way to vilify him. Out of the ego's perspective of the time this was completely justified and even normal behaviour for someone so disrupting to the prevailing order.

Is it easy for you to admit when you were wrong? That's one way of knowing how good you are at "just changing" when you see something truer.

I think admitting you’re wrong is exactly how the ego evolves. Nothing mystical has to die, the narrative just changes.

 

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Exactly. The ego doesn’t die

 

It reintegrates into something greater.

God is like a shattered mirror and all egos are its pieces. But he had to do that to be able to get to know Himself. That's where we are right now.

But it can't stay that way. That's why pressure is building. It was designed like that from the very beginning.

You are me and I am you. But good luck reuniting  ✨

Humanity will reunite once more and then we will realize that we were ONE all along. But that requires us to face all the darkness we created and keep creating, too. And we don't really want that..

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

I think admitting you’re wrong is exactly how the ego evolves. Nothing mystical has to die, the narrative just changes.

 

Death doesn't really exist, true. But tell that your ego  

[Monster Energy]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What we call ego It is self-image, the need for group belonging, and the perception of our position within it, driven by emotional impulses implanted in our system by evolution, impossible to ignore, that cause the group to operate as an individual.

What we call liberation from the ego is the understanding of this dynamic, followed by the alchemy in which the system aligns itself, allowing conditioning to lose its energetic charge, leaving an individual free from their primal impulses, operating directly connected to the flow of existence.

How many can even intuit what is the liberation? Few, because when you are in, you are in, you can see only the walls of the box where you live. Mental walls programmed by the evolution of the form. The game is fascinating, seems impossible that something so perfect and complex exist. 

I think you’re describing something real about self-image and conditioning. I’m just not convinced there’s a clean escape from it. Awareness seems more realistic than total liberation.

 

[Monster Energy]

1 minute ago, vibv said:

Death doesn't really exist, true. But tell that your ego  

Exactly. It feels like death to the ego, but it’s really just the story changing.

 

[vibv]

5 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

I think you’re describing something real about self-image and conditioning. I’m just not convinced there’s a clean escape from it. Awareness seems more realistic than total liberation.

 

Escaping through so-called "liberation" by the buddhists is not True.

The True Path to Liberation leads through the Deepest Darkness.

No single human is able to bear that by oneself. So buddhists just invented death++ haha. But that's no escape either, I'll tell ya.

There's no escape—except through the Heart of the Beast. Which is... us! Tadaa...

But we're still stuck killing ourselves and being barbaric out there. Try convincing 95% of humans of this stuff. They rather burn you at the stake because intuitively they know exactly what that would mean..

Edited 1 hour ago by vibv

[Monster Energy]

1 minute ago, vibv said:

Escaping through so-called "liberation" by the buddhists is not True.

The True Path to Liberation leads through the Deepest Darkness.

No single human is able to bear that by oneself. So buddhists just invented death++ haha. But that's no escape either, I'll tell ya.

Possibly. But whenever someone says they’ve found the ‘true path,’ I start wondering if we’re drifting from philosophy into theology.

 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

I think you’re describing something real about self-image and conditioning. I’m just not convinced there’s a clean escape from it. Awareness seems more realistic than total liberation.

 

Self image is not just an though, It's an incredibly powerful emotional mechanism rooted in the absolute need to belong to the group, clan, mother. Without that, you're dead, and the need to live is absolute. Liberation is rising above that very real conditioning and positioning yourself in a state of existence where life and death touch, where there are no frontiers, where you are not an human anymore but the reality being in a form, absolutely out of the human density. 

That's where spiritual work is supposed to go, right? Not mild change of position, absolute movement. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall

[vibv]

6 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Possibly. But whenever someone says they’ve found the ‘true path,’ I start wondering if we’re drifting from philosophy into theology.

 

Our best shot in my view is to find a new way to religion. It has to be more powerfull than all that came before and at the same time be totally free of violence. How's that for a paradox?

Maybe it's possible to twist the plot that way.. Because it surely doesn't look good right now. Pure philosophy isn't gonna cut it anymore.

I'm trying.

But whatever it is shall be.

Edited 1 hour ago by vibv

[Monster Energy]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Self image is not just an though, It's an incredibly powerful emotional mechanism rooted in the absolute need to belong to the group, clan, mother. Without that, you're dead, and the need to live is absolute. Liberation is rising above that very real conditioning and positioning yourself in a state of existence where life and death touch, where there are no frontiers, where you are not an human anymore but the reality being in a form, absolutely out of the human density. 

That's where spiritual work is supposed to go, right? Not mild change of position, absolute movement. 

I’m just not sure humans can fully step outside being human. Awareness of our conditioning might be as close as we get. Humans trying to ‘transcend being human’ usually just end up inventing another story about themselves.

 

 

[Monster Energy]

4 minutes ago, vibv said:

Our best shot in my view is to find a new way to religion. Maybe it's possible to twist the plot that way.. Because it surely doesn't look good right now.

Every time humans try to reinvent religion it eventually becomes another belief system people start defending like the previous one.

 

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

I’m just not sure humans can fully step outside being human. Awareness of our conditioning might be as close as we get. Humans trying to ‘transcend being human’ usually just end up inventing another story about themselves.

 

 

Sure. We need to find the story of all stories. The Cosmos isn't gonna accept less  ✨