Why is Leo so anti conspracy theories?

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44 Im literally a flat earther. Not up and down flat. Forward and backward flat.

What does that mean ?

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44Reality is 2 dimensional like a screen. Therefore the Earth is flat.

One of my favourite youtubers is Archaix, its literally a giant conspiracy theory.

If you want to beleive in conspiracies beleive in personal conspiracies.

If you beleive that the elities are sucking energy out of people you are admitting they are sucking your energy.

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[Wilhelm44]

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44Reality is 2 dimensional like a screen. Therefore the Earth is flat.

Its an infinite plane right 😄

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44 Everytime Ramaste eats a vegetable or fruit hes doing it so the alien satan elite cannot suck his energy force. Everytime he does it he is creating it in his field. Hes eating fruit and vegetable out of fear now. This is what conspiracy theories lead too. Now they are real. I dont beleive in conspiracies based on fear mongering.

If I buy into it at all, I have to do it and then now I am feeding this narrative.

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[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44Like  VR game. Is skyrim VR 3d or is it flat? Is there 'space' in between objects when you are playing skyrim? No its flat.

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[aurum]

Conspiracy theorists are atrocious with their epistemology.

They lack construct-awareness and introspection. They speculate beyond what they can verify. They focus all their skepticism outward rather than on self. They rationalize from their survival. Their perspectives are unholistic. They are usually completely unaware of their own bias.

Which is not to say all conspiracy theories are automatically wrong. It just means the sense-making process is atrocious. 

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[Wilhelm44]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44 Everytime Ramaste eats a vegetable or fruit hes doing it so the alien satan elite cannot suck his energy force. Everytime he does it he is creating it in his field. Hes eating fruit and vegetable out of fear now. This is what conspiracy theories lead too. Now they are real. I dont beleive in conspiracies based on fear mongering.

If I buy into it at all, I have to do it and then now I am feeding this narrative.

I believe everything going to work out okay. Elites are not in control. Theres a deeper intelligence at play

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44Like  VR game. Is skyrim VR 3d or is it flat? Is there 'space' in between objects when you are playing skyrim? No its flat.

Im 49, i dont know video games lol. You really a flat earther, or you just pulling my leg ?

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44Its like a simulation. If you watched a movie on your television and there was a character in the forefront and an enemy far away, is there space between the character in the forefront and the character far away in the movie?

The same thing is happening IRL.

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44Then why think about it at all? Why entertain it at all? You may as well not entertain any conspiracy because it dosent matter.

This is a trick you are secretly allowing it into your subconsious and you will be ruled by it.

You will think about it, you will watch instagram reels and videos about it and then you will become scared.

The 'deeper' intelligence you are referring too is Russian propaganda. 

Gen X are deeply involved with Russian propaganda. 

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[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44Then why think about it at all? Why entertain it at all? You may as well not entertain any conspiracy because it dosent matter.

This is a trick you are secretly allowing it into your subconsious and you will be ruled by it.

Bro im not a conspiracy nut, the fact is some turned out to be true, thats all.

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44Its like a simulation. If you watched a movie on your television and there was a character in the forefront and an enemy far away, is there space between the character in the forefront and the character far away in the movie?

The same thing is happening IRL.

Time and space is a perceptual illusion, but that doesnt mean we living on a flat disk

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44 Illusion means not real, its not really there. The same way you can have an illusion that there are further and closer characters in a movie. Is there actually space between them in the movie? Or is it an illusion?

It exactly means that.

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[Wilhelm44]

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44 Illusion means not real, its not really there. The same way you can have an illusion that there are further and closer characters in a movie. Is there actually space between them in the movie? Or is it an illusion?

It exactly means that.

Im gonna get my round earth people to get back to you on this one. 

[Willy Phallicus]

The tin foil hate people have plenty of good reasons to be paranoid.

Their biggest problem is they let the paranoia get the better of them.

There is no easy way around the Powers That Be and its not like the Powers That Be are giving us the option so the easiest way for most to intellectually resolve the impasse is just to deny the existence of the Powers That Be.

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[Wilhelm44]

5 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44 Illusion means not real, its not really there. The same way you can have an illusion that there are further and closer characters in a movie. Is there actually space between them in the movie? Or is it an illusion?

It exactly means that.

I thought about it. At the absolute level where there is no illusion of time or space, we cant really speak about the shape of the earth, in fact at that level there is nothing really happening. But at the relative level, you are a sack of meat and bones living on a spherical planet.

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44 your body is flat like a hologram. Theres no meat in your sack.

'I don't have any neurons right now'

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[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44 your body is flat like a hologram. Theres no meat in your sack.

But at the relative level, there is the appearance of these things. There's not some edge of the earth that you can fall off.

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44No its flat frontground and background wise. All you have is your own relatively. Every other relativety is made up. There no space between you and the monitor or the keyboard.

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[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44No its flat frontground and background wise. All you have is your own relatively. Every other relativety is made up.

Aha, so this is like solipsism version of flat earth theory (:)

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[Christoph Werner]

Why is Leo so anti conspiracy theories?    

A lot of conspiracy theorists are fools and psychologically under-developped. Many people, including Leo use this obvious fact, to avoid conspirational thinking. People's survival is outsourced to society, this creates a conflict of interest and it creates group think. People cant stomach and imagine how corrupt and sick some people and even more people in power are.  And Leo seriously underestimated how deep the corruption goes. He also fell victim to obvious group think and the very common pattern of fear mongering and he even promoted that in his blog.   

 

here the post:   

https://actualized.org/insights/got-my-covid-vaccine

Got My Covid Vaccine

By Leo Gura - May 26, 2021

After some delay due to my gut health problems, I got my first dose of the Pfizer Covid vaccine yesterday at my local Walgreens.

The whole process took 15 minutes. The shot itself took 1 minute. The other 14 minutes was just waiting for the staff. There was no line. The shot was completely painless.

24 hours later I feel no different than normal. I have a little soreness in my arm where I got the shot. No mark or scar. The needle they use is so tiny you don’t even feel it go in.

Overall, it’s so easy. Go get your vaccine today. Don’t let people fearmonger to you with conspiracy theories and fake news. Your odds of dying from Covid are hundreds of times higher than having a complication from the vaccine. So you’d be a fool not get vaccinated. Not to even mention the collective social costs of not getting vaccinated for the global economy and the people you could kill by being an unwitting carrier for the virus.

Neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna vaccines contain heavy metals like old fashioned vaccines do, eliminating even that minor risk factor.

My Mom and brother both got both doses of the Moderna vaccine and they had no significant side-effects.

The vaccine is also FREE! If you’re in the USA, you can schedule a free appointment via the Walgreens website. Or your favorite pharmacy center.

Don’t doubt, don’t delay, go get vaccinated today! And be thankful that such a painless, healthy, and effective vaccine exists at all. The fearmongering and lack of gratitude has gotten way out of hand. Yet another example of the madness of crowds.

 

"Your odds of dying from Covid are hundreds of times higher than having a complication from the vaccine. So you’d be a fool not get vaccinated. Not to even mention the collective social costs of not getting vaccinated for the global economy and the people you could kill by being an unwitting carrier for the virus."     

completely baseless truth claim. Classic propaganda narrative he fell victim to. I think he's still in denial even today. Pfizer never tested if the vaccine stops transmission. there is no proof whatsoever that the odds of dying from Covid are hundreds of times higher than having a complication from the vaccine.  A lot of people here on this forum fell victim to this propaganda. Just goes to show you how impactful the fear trigger is. Otherwise intelligent people all of a sudden cant think anymore if you just trigger their fear response and group pressure. 

If someone who didnt yet process what happened during the "pandemic" is interested, a ex leading toxicologist Helmut Sterz from pfizer released a book "The Vaccine Mafia: How Illegal Toxic Substances Were Sold as Covid-19 Medicine.” so far i think its only available in german. In the USA you have the epstein files, here in germany we have the RKI Files. It was the leading "scientific" institute here that basically all politicians and media based their covid narratives about. the rki files clearly reveal it was a purely political narrative passed down to the RKI and they had to justfy it. 

I lost a lot of respect for Leo in this time. Wouldnt get into my head why someone so intelligent would play lab rat for a company (pfizer) that paid the largest health care fraud settlement in U.S. Department of Justice history at the time and then even promote this behaviour on his blog. 

more info if you want to investigate the "pandemic" deeper: 

Here is a short, fact-based summary of the COVID-19 narrative, based on open data, court records, financial reports and comparative studies – without media or politician storytelling.

### Key Facts & Patterns

1. **Massive wealth transfer to billionaires**  
   - Oxfam / Forbes: Between March 2020 and late 2021, the wealth of the 10 richest people grew by ~$1.5 trillion.  
   - Jeff Bezos +$75 bn, Elon Musk +$121 bn, Bill Gates +$33 bn (despite donations).  
   - BlackRock & Co. saw record inflows into ETFs and tech stocks in 2020–2021.  
   → Lockdowns → Amazon, Zoom, Pfizer, Moderna, tech giants explode → classic crisis transfer upward.

2. **Who profited directly?**  
   - **Pharma**: Pfizer + Moderna revenue 2021/2022 each ~$100 bn (almost only vaccine).  
   - **Bill Gates**: Largest private donor to WHO (~10–12% of budget via Gates Foundation). Major stake in BioNTech (via foundation), vaccine investments, GAVI.  
   - **Event 201** (Oct 2019): Johns Hopkins, WEF, Gates Foundation simulate exactly a coronavirus pandemic – 6 weeks before Wuhan. No proof of planning, but perfect timing + large overlap of actors.

3. **Coordinated international response**  
   - WHO pandemic declaration (11 March 2020) → almost all Western countries switch to lockdown, mask mandates, school closures within 1–2 weeks.  
   - Lockstep scenario (Rockefeller Foundation 2010) describes exactly this pattern (pandemic → authoritarian control).  
   - EU Commission centrally negotiates vaccine contracts (von der Leyen–Pfizer deal) – 1.8 bn doses, partly via SMS negotiations (EU court 2024: von der Leyen does not have to release SMS).

4. **Sweden without lockdown**  
   - No lockdown, no mask mandate in schools, open restaurants/bars.  
   - Excess mortality 2020–2022 comparable or lower than in many lockdown countries (ONS, Eurostat, Folkhälsomyndigheten data).  
   - Economic contraction 2020 only –2.2% (Germany –4.6%, Italy –9%).  
   → Shows that harsh measures had no clear advantage.

5. **Vaccine effectiveness & narrative shift**  
   - Original claim (Dec 2020–mid 2021): “95% efficacy, stops transmission”.  
   - Later (2021–2023): “Reduces severe courses, transmission not significantly reduced”.  
   - Israel data (2021): Vaccinated infect and transmit almost the same (CDC study July 2021).  
   - RKI protocols (2024 leak): Internal note Nov 2021: “Pandemic of the unvaccinated is epidemiologically not correct” – yet massively pushed publicly.

6. **Fear-mongering & propaganda**  
   - Daily incidence ticker, death counts without context, children in masks, ventilator alarmism.  
   - Campaigns like “#allesdichtmachen” → “Vaccinate to protect grandma”.  
   - Censorship on platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter) for dissenting views (Great Barrington Declaration, vaccine side effects).

7. **Absurd measures**  
   - Plexiglas screens (no evidence of effectiveness), outdoor masks, outdoor curfews, 2G/2G+, school closures (Cochrane 2023: no effect on transmission), one-way aisles in supermarkets.

### Good sources for someone who still believes “everything was done properly”
- **Primary sources** (best, because independent of media):  
  - RKI protocols (full 2024 leak on rki-transparenzbericht.de or Multipolar) – internal doubts vs. public narrative.  
  - EU court rulings on von der Leyen SMS (2024–2025).  
  - Sweden data: Folkhälsomyndigheten (official Swedish agency), Eurostat excess mortality.  
  - Cochrane Reviews (2023): Lockdowns & masks – no clear effects.  
  - CDC/Israel data on vaccine transmission (July 2021).  
  - Oxfam / UBS Billionaires Report 2021–2023 (wealth growth).  
  - Event 201 video & participant list (Johns Hopkins website, archived).

- **More neutral analyses**:  
  - Great Barrington Declaration (original text + signatories).  
  - Brownstone Institute (collection of primary data analyses).  
  - Official financial reports from Pfizer, Moderna, BioNTech (SEC filings).

In short: The narrative was **primarily politically and economically driven, with science used as a secondary justification**.  
The profiteers were clearly in pharma, tech and financial elites.  
Sweden shows alternatives existed – and these alternatives were systematically ignored / defamed.