5-MeO-DMT for longevity - Bryan Johnson

[Florian]

On 11.3.2026 at 11:22 AM, Leo Gura said:

The Holy Grail is Infinite Love.

 

And all this health stuff is obviously part of infinite love cause its infinite.

[Florian]

On 11.3.2026 at 11:57 AM, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Exactly. You can hate on Bryan Johnson for selling snake oil and being corrupt, but at least we can agree that he is healthy. 

I’m looking forward to seeing what comes out of this experiment. Who knows, maybe in a body that is 100% metabolically healthy, “pouring jet fuel” could have some interesting beneficial effects.

Ye he called his extra virgin olive oil "snake oil" thats all the snake oil he is selling and there is so much less corruption in him then anyone here it seems.

[Florian]

On 23.3.2026 at 3:58 PM, PolyPeter said:

The conclusion is kind of tragic. 

He became Pure Consciousness, and when he came back, he talked about doubling down on his quest to live forever as a species.

damn he is stubborn.

Or thats a sign he is on the right path. Maybe you understand his view of "living forever" completely wrong my guy

 

On 23.3.2026 at 3:59 PM, PolyPeter said:

Like someone finally sees the Matrix code and their first thought is "cool, now how do I patch immortality into this build?"

more like coding it into a more beautiful experience. Why is there a matrix to begin with? Just because you seem to think its bad doesnt mean its bad, thats your bias.

[Florian]

On 23.3.2026 at 6:55 PM, Cireeric said:

It makes a lot more sense if you see his larger message is bigger than just archieving immortality. Yes Dont Die is his headline message, and immortality makes his whole project spicy, but his project is very much geared towards humanity not destroying itself and the earth - i.e. the metacrisis. It is about preserving life and honoring existence, because existence is beautiful, which is very much what you get in the afterglow of a deep trip. 

Yeeeeee +1

[Florian]

On 23.3.2026 at 7:25 PM, PolyPeter said:

There's something deeper worth naming here.

The entire "preserve life" framing assumes a definition of Life that is quietly, completely humanized.

But consciousness didn't begin with biology. Biology is one of its expressions, a extraordinarily complex filter through which the Absolute experiences itself at a particular density level. A rock is not less alive. It's less complex. Those are not the same thing.

When Bryan says "protect the candle of consciousness that has miraculously emerged in this part of the galaxy", he's describing consciousness as if it's a fragile flame that humans are somehow responsible for keeping lit. As if without us, the Absolute would go dark.

That's not humility. That's the most anthropocentric claim possible, dressed in the language of cosmic responsibility.

The void doesn't need protecting. It was there before this universe. It will be there after. What Bryan experienced wasn't something rare and fragile, it was what's always already the case, briefly unfiltered.

"Don't Die" makes sense if the human vehicle is the source of consciousness. It makes no sense at all if consciousness is the source of the human vehicle.

If you love being human though it makes sense. Doesnt mean being a human is all there is. Your logic is built upon the human experience not having any worth, then why are you still alive?

[Florian]

On 2.4.2026 at 0:06 AM, Lyubov said:

I’m a bit envious that this guy can just afford to do life changing psychedelics and make a giant spectacle out of it with a camera crew filming and social media posts galore afterwards. 

Here I am working full time and building a foundation for success and a future family lol, something like that could derail me in a way I don’t want to put energy into recovering form. But to be honest I’m very much spiritually aware and have prioritized it since 2015, so the fruits of my labor have been paying off even if my experience is just around shrooms and ayahuasca. I shouldn’t frame it like I’m missing out on anything. I would imagine you can only garner so much wisdom when your original intentions are clouded. 

I guess what I’m getting at is he is literally the last person I would probably try to emulate when it comes to seeking peak experiencie. His whole Richie rich life is just so different from mine. I’d probably keep a good bit of it to myself if I were to do it and largely do my own journaling, talk here some about it. 

He also doesn’t look particularly young for his age. Is he really much more healthier than other guys his age? My grandpa lived to 92 and didn’t do shit for like 25 years before passing . Ate a pack of bacon daily and spent his retirement sitting in a recliner watching tv he recorded on a VCR. 

Maybe I’m being a hater but there’s something just performative about the way he moves that I don’t like. 

Bro do you know about his past? He completely burnt out from his previous career. Where do you think he got all the money to do this stuff from?

And ye I think his looks dont really match the health stats and thats because his skin was severly damaged and you cant really recover skin that well. Also I think chronic sauna use, which he is doing, might be bad for the skin, just a guess though.

[Florian]

18 hours ago, integral said:

Death is a compelling marketing approuch but he should really make it about state.

The point is being in peek condition, not draggling your feet with brain fog through life and no purpose that 99% of slaves are doing. 

Thats is basically already what it is about.

[Florian]

Holy shit this is enough for now

[Florian]

Hope this cleans the view on him for some people, especially @Leo Gura cause I think you would profit the most from adapting to this new perspective on health. This taxed my nervous system ngl, time to take some time off from this website again

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Florian defending Bryan hard here. 

Can you show me where he addresses the issues with extending life when one is suffering, dealing with chronic pain or emotional distress ie personality disorders or pathologies? Some of these circumstances poke holes in his philosophy. And I haven't seen him even try to address this. Just avoid.

It's super easy to be all sun and rainbows in a rich paradise.

Edited Friday at 09:46 PM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Florian]

22 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Florian defending Bryan hard here. 

Can you show me where he addresses the issues with extending life when one is suffering, dealing with chronic pain or emotional distress ie personality disorders or pathologies? Some of these circumstances poke holes in his philosophy. And I haven't seen him even try to address this. Just avoid.

It's super easy to be all sun and rainbows in a rich paradise.

Ye, I think he is like the man of the hour right now, doing maybe the most imporant thing at the moment.

The way he is extending life is the cure to a lot of chronic suffering. Sleeping well alone fixes so many emotionals problems. I think the problem here is that you think he is only extending the life in the exact same way it was before, but the quality of life will improve once you adapt to this lifestyle, no matter what.

Ofc if you are in a position of intense wage slavery and other baggage you have it a lot harder, but remember he already went through that hell. You seem to say its only for the rich like so many people and everyone else is busy suffering in their own little hell but I guess kinda counter intuitively the way out of that hell is that way he is showing everyone. Obviously you cant do everything like him but even he knows that very well and communicates that. The way you do it is by starting a positive spiral that begins with sleep. Very first step is to make sleep your number 1 priority and build life around it. Optimal first specific steps would be obviously first getting more sleep (at least 7 hours), which is a big problem for a lot of people but I think if its your number 1 prorioty a lot of people crying about all this being impossible can very well do it. Then have a consistent (every single day) bed time, same time going to bed and waking up. Then 2 more relatively easy to do things are last meal 4 hours before bed and 10min walks after eating, both improving sleep quality significantly. If you do that you will have more willpower making it easier to avoid fast food and start working out which again will have positive effects adding to the momentum of the spiral.

And even if you cant do all this perfectly, as long as you hold it as number 1 priority and do everything you can, you are on the right track. I myself got my sleep schedule destroyed/destroyed it a little on my own because of insomnia type reasons coming from an emotional issue in my life which is coming up right now, but in the big picture health is still my number 1 priority, I know once this is resolved I go back to my tight sleep schedule and in the meantime I do everything left I can do to keep up my health with the willpower I have left. Even before I ever heard of Bryan Johnson sleep was my number 1 priority as I had very fucked up sleep and just noticed how imporant it is and it took me around 8 years to have around 70 days with a consistent sleep schedule just to have it destroyed again but I will keep going for the rest of my life with this. Maybe there will be periods where I cant hold my sleep schedule up or eat perfectly healthy or work out everyday but it always be the first thing to come back to once I got the opportunity.

Btw I remember having made a post about health as the number 1 priority before and not having answered to one of your last responses where you asked me to elaborate on my analogy of life as a picture and health as the frame or something akin to that. Now I think its more fitting to say health is life not just the frame when life is a picture. You want a good life? Simply have good health because life is literally health. Or to come back to the frame: The frame of your experience of life is your body and your body is basically just the manifestation of your health, so in that sense there is the abstract concept of health and the specific manifestation as your body, idk if that is making clear sense as I just came up with this right now, but "health = life" is already very insightful I think.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Florian can you link me to statements or some evidence Bryan has made about curing suffering? Addressing people with chronic pain? Personality disorders? Depression? 

I am sorry 'sleeping well along fixes most emotional problems'. Strawman. I am talking people who have low quality of life. People who have incurable personality disorders or depression. Some of these people would not like to be told they are going to love forever in pain.

Please link me Bryan's strategy for addressing this? Not your interpretation. Even just some thoughts from him, rather than his cowardice avoiding the question all the time.

I am happy to change my mind. But I have never seen Bryan even try to think or address people who suffer chronically from pain. He has never once tried to understand how Don't Die applies to them and rap on it. 

He just deflects the question and talks about the virtue of existence. 

Have a listen to this. Some of the comments below ask these serious questions:

https://youtu.be/OqlPU1CKEpI?si=d9HGaiuOZ0lmiTpn

Edited Saturday at 09:22 PM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Florian]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Florian can you link me to statements or some evidence Bryan has made about curing suffering? Addressing people with chronic pain? Personality disorders? Depression? 

I am sorry 'sleeping well along fixes most emotional problems'. Strawman. I am talking people who have low quality of life. People who have incurable personality disorders or depression. Some of these people would not like to be told they are going to love forever in pain.

Please link me Bryan's strategy for addressing this? Not your interpretation. Even just some thoughts from him, rather than his cowardice avoiding the question all the time.

I am happy to change my mind. But I have never seen Bryan even try to think or address people who suffer chronically from pain. He has never once tried to understand how Don't Die applies to them and rap on it. 

He just deflects the question and talks about the virtue of existence. 

Have a listen to this. Some of the comments below ask these serious questions:

https://youtu.be/OqlPU1CKEpI?si=d9HGaiuOZ0lmiTpn

http://youtube.com/post/Ugkx-1jKTzF6IJjJe6sA-MUvwgRMWN_WZG9h?si=rcxDAbBN-y75JyPu I spent around 1min to find this 

Look I am the perfect example for a person suffering. I have been diagnosed with severe depression before and also have a "personality disorder" which my psychatriest couldnt even quite pin down and this post will also be a piece of evidence for the impact of specificly sleep and diet cause as I said before I have insomnia problems right now that destroyed my sleep and thus I lack in the willpower department right now as well which is why I  just ate a "cheat meal" unlike my usual 100% clean diet and now I am in a completely different state and this will reflect in this post cause holy shit I dont have the patience to deal with this bullshit like before rn.

Do you even know what a straw man is? You telling me this argument that there might be people who dont want to live forever destroys Bryan Johnson Philisophie of living healthy, like wtf? thats a strawman for all I know, classic projection. First of all yes sleep does fix most emotional problems or is at least necesarry to be able to fix it via other therapies. As a person who is suffering, this health perspective is propably the only reason I am able to keep going, like holy shit you have no idea what you are talking about or youre ragebaiting, stop coming at me with that bullshit toxic attitude. Then who said its Bryan Johnsons mission to specificly only heal people with mental illness to make them want to live forever? Completely made up by you. 

I dont think you are happy to change your mind since you like everybody else I have addressed here dont seem to actually take notice of anything I wrote except the fact that I defend Bryan Johnson. Like this forum is about high consiousness and it reacts in such a low consious honestly disgusting (to me) way to this. Even and especially from Leo which is so fucking sad to me but I also understand, because thats exactly what you become when your health is shit and he just doesnt seem to want to understand, or he thinks he has already done everything possible for his health. Btw also pointing back at the Bryan Johnson post I linked, this might be a big reason for Leos Health problems, social media is so bad for your health, while in person social interaction is so important and he seems to get most social interaction from this forum which propably doesnt even have the normal negative social media effects for him but those on steroids as he has the responsibility to lead it and has to deal with so much bs. Like I wouldnt even be surprised if thats the main reason for his health problems. I really got many great insights from this forum by reading your posts @Leo Gura, thank you for that, but at this point I think it might be best for yourself if you close it or something like that.

I had more patience then I thought, but I dont want to deal with this shit here anymore. I think I wrote everything I could, now its on anyone who read it to adapt to it or not.

[Lyubov]

On 4/3/2026 at 9:35 PM, Florian said:

Bro do you know about his past? He completely burnt out from his previous career. Where do you think he got all the money to do this stuff from?

And ye I think his looks dont really match the health stats and thats because his skin was severly damaged and you cant really recover skin that well. Also I think chronic sauna use, which he is doing, might be bad for the skin, just a guess though.

I know nothing about him aside from a couple youtube videos. I assume he was a tech guy that got stupidly rich. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Florian hey man, I just questioned some gaps in Bryan's philosophy. It's got nothing to do with you. I didn't make a comment about your character, I make comment about the arguments you present. I pointed out you glossing over the seriousness of people with terrible rng quality of life by stating 'sleep fixes most emotional problems'. I did remark that you might have some egoic attachment to Bryan though, if you feel a compulsion to defend or become emotionally charged over this topic. I think the nature and volume of your replies makes this a logical inference.

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. Then who said its Bryan Johnsons mission to specificly only heal people with mental illness to make them want to live forever? Completely made up by you. 

Where did I say that? I questioned his philosophy and how it applies to those individuals and how he avoids addressing it. Like he avoids addressing any question that might poke a hole in 'Dont Die'. It points to the position of privileged alite living in a myopic bubble. I mean - for God's sake he equivocated someone on a ventilator, totally incapacitated, only able to breath and survive like that (endless suffering) as him signing his fucking will document! He literally thinks he understands that persons perspective based on the thought experiment or signing his will... 

I've personally lived with an individual who suffers from a cluster B personality issue. Sleep doesn't fix this. Sleep helps with most low level emotional regulation issues. But most people aren't so fragile that 30 minutes less bricks their system. Bryan has thyroid issues. He only publishes his TOP STATS and won't release them all. There's just some inconsistencies in his behaviour.

I've stated many times the basics pillars Bryan emphasises are great. Overall he is doing some innovative things. But you can't just ignore the huge issues with his philosophy. You can't ignore the fact that if something ends up working to extend his life, we have no way of knowing what worked. And that's mainly because his experiment is throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping something will stick. 

We won't know what spaghetti strand worked because there is no rigor on his experient. It's not controlled enough. Or at all. n = 1 isn't a viable experiment scientifically.

Couple that with his desire to create a religion 'my competitor is Jesus' + his don't die dinners. You have to critically question what's going on? He proposes AGI making all decisions for our wellbeing in those dinners. No decisions on our behalf. 

When you raise issues about the application of Don't Die projecting out to the future - his answer is the equivalent 'it will be alright, it will work itself out'.

It's not like I am not familiar with Bryan, I've been following him for longer than many. There are just some huge parts of his philosophy that are fucken weird and sloppy.

Again, yes I am gung ho raising this issues. And I want to hear the debunk, because I change my mind regarding my assessment of people all the time. I still dont see any evidence to convince me he is anything other than a grifter who slowly introduced the grift. 

It's just packaged in a nice way for people to digest it easier.

It's crazy to suggest closing the forum because you disagree with others... Holy moly !

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Carl-Richard]

@Natasha Tori Maru

"Don't Die" is a marketing slogan. Bryan is a businessman. He sold a company for 800 million dollars. The actual philosophy underlying Don't Die is akin to Sadhguru saying "dying in installments" (and avoiding it), i.e. simply be healthy, and if you're healthy, you don't see a reason to die. If you're unhealthy, yes, that's an issue, and I think Bryan knows that (he was at one point suicidal and overall unhealthy).

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Carl-Richard

I agree 'don't die' is a marketing slogan. 

Bryan also genuinely wants to live forever, though.

[Carl-Richard]

21 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Carl-Richard

I agree 'don't die' is a marketing slogan. 

Bryan also genuinely wants to live forever, though.

Bryan might want to find the engineering secrets of hacking lifespan. That's his life purpose. But if lifespan becomes infinite and people are healthy, they won't simply die. Maybe most healthy people want to spend their time alive in a different way than Bryan currently is, but they want to spend their time alive, and if they somehow can spend only a minimal amount of time to increase their time spent alive, they probably will do it. Bryan is just in the startup stages digging around, and that takes more time than people might consider reasonable. But that's his job. You just have to wait until the engineering problem is overcome, then you will join Don't Die (proper) probably as a default.

If infinite lifespan was obtainable through swallowing a pill every morning (or doing a one-time genetic intervention), and it was basically free, how big percentage of the population would do it?

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Carl-Richard Yep, and it is those engineering problems that may well be solved.

But you have to look at his intentions in totality - he claims his whole purpose and desire is about being remembered in the 25th century. He compares himself to others that are remembered.  That could go many different ways - but I think he means well in that he wants to be remembered for the right reasons. There is a lot of hubris there. The only reason I raise this? Most who defend Bryan go on about how humble he is, his pure intentions. At the end of the day, he is just like anyone else with selfish motivations. Ego. It just so happens there are good things behind it all. I just think it is a clever ruse that so many who follow social media are totally blind to. He is living a privileged, elite existence - he stated that 'signing his will' is a sufficient thought experiment to compare suffering to someone on life support with a breathing apparatus, with no quality of life.

I see him constantly saying he is a deep thinking and philosopher - and then presenting NO real thoughts behind some huge counter points to his philosophy. No intention to address them. Just some jukes to avoid questions.

Couple that with the biggest issue I have; how the hell is he going to know with rigor what works, if he does live for an extended period? I just don't have any faith in n = 1 experiments. But hey - that's me. I also think the excessive testing can be problematic.

I do love that he advocates for the basic pillars of health. So overall I like his content and message. I think what he is doing is innovative in some ways. But the hype surrounding him is misplaced. I love he is exploring psychedelics. I dislike the blueprint product grift. I dislike the ideology around AI controlling our existence. I think his philosophy is poor. I dislike transhumanism because I feel like there are huge potential issues that are being overlooked in its pursuit. And Bryan is a transhumanist imo.

I am very much middle-of-the-road with my opinion of him. I think nothing will come of his experiment. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Carl-Richard]

@Natasha Tori Maru

I just see "guy do cool stuff" and I go "woo!". I don't see much philosophy in it, any more than I see philosophy in the fastest or strongest athletes in the world reaching for the highest heights. It's a celebration of life in a sense. "Being remembered in the 25th century" I think you took that a bit too literally, imo that's simply visionary ambition (I don't see it as him wishing to be remembered but he using that mental image, the standards of health in the 25th century, for the standards he strives for). "Ego" I want to use for people to use that ambition to grandstand over others. Direct comparisons and low vibration.

Edited 17 minutes ago by Carl-Richard