Enlightenment

[Breakingthewall]

44 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Nothingness was referring to the self-illusion which identifies as being the whole of reality there. 

Another name for that self-illusion is spiritual ego. It's not really there, it's nothingness in disguse as being everything.

Reality doesn't have an identification crisis like conditioned humans. 

That Breakingthewall body over there is a tiny insignificant piece of reality, it's not the whole. 

Laying an illusory blanket of conditioned beliefs overtop of reality to suit the spiritual ego's false agenda, doesn't make it true.

There isn't a "You" in which could be the whole of reality and never will be. I can assure you of this. It's not an opinion, it's a blatant fact.

The self-illusion there has been bamboozled by some kind of egoic spiritual nonsense that sounded good.

That is not Enlightenment.

Thats delusions of a very strong and persistent spiritual ego that will fight tooth and nail to stay in control.

 

The physical bodies that write back and forth on this forum are real, just like deer, bear, rabbit, fox, birds, trees.....etc...etc...

It's that which identifies as being "the whole of reality" which is completely unreal 

Then you are nothing, and an illusion that is not real. Nice labels, I don't understand exactly the point of putting those labels but you are free about doing it. Seems that you use it to put yourself in a let's say better level knowing that you don't exist. I hope you are happy non existing. 

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, Dodo said:

being a teacher and viewing all other vessels as seekers that don't get it.

I'm not a teacher, just that I know what enlightenment is and maybe anyone could be interested in it. I can't teach nothing, just telling what enlightenment is and what is not. If you don't believe it it's normal, mostly would think I'm just someone who wants to inflate his ego pretending being above of others. This is a slippery matter, but it's extremely interesting because it's real. 

[Dodo]

34 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm not a teacher, just that I know what enlightenment is and maybe anyone could be interested in it. I can't teach nothing, just telling what enlightenment is and what is not. If you don't believe it it's normal, mostly would think I'm just someone who wants to inflate his ego pretending being above of others. This is a slippery matter, but it's extremely interesting because it's real. 

Ah, you know what it is and isnt, dont you? Its something you know, but others dont. What makes this different from any religion who would tell you what is true? 

When i talk about awareness/Truth i clearly show the obviousness of its undeniable reality - something that can be instantly confirmed by anyone, something non-exotic, something common to all, even if its a mystery.

When you talk, suddenly you are doing some special action, and the other is lacking this exotic thing called Enlightenment. I need to believe you. 

When I say Awareness is Truth, you are obviously included, because you are aware, even if you deny it. 

The only reality to images in a mirror is the mirror itself, which has no image by itself. That is Awareness. Our vessels are different images on the mirror,, our reality is the mirror. The mirror is pure (empty) awareness. 

The substance of an image in the mirror IS the mirror.

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[Willy Phallicus]

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

They say the Truth cant be spoken to see if you really got it, or will just parrot that it cant be spoken 

I'd say Truth is an experience.  A gift.  A deeply personal experience/gift that cannot be shared or given to another (if you want to play that game and acknowledge other), least of all through verbal communication.  

I can describe that experience and label it (I prefer gnosis to awakened or enlightened) but the words will never encapsulate the experience in a way that does it any kind of justice - especially to the uninitiated - that much is true.

But yeah, I hear ya, when you've been gifted that very specific revelation you can get tired of being told you don't really know what you know that you know.  Like the Oracle said to Neo, its like being in love.  No one can tell you you're in love, you just know it.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

When you talk, suddenly you are doing some special action, and the other is lacking this exotic thing called Enlightenment. I need to believe you. 

Yes because it's some special action, and you don't get enlightenment, you can open yourself to what you are for some seconds and then never do again in your whole life and forget it . 

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

When i talk about awareness/Truth i clearly show the obviousness of its undeniable reality - something that can be instantly confirmed

Yes, and I can say that I'm a person walking in the street writing in a phone and also it's undeniable. The point is not being awareness, a person, god, etc but what are those manifestations in its essence, what is this moment if you remove everything. Thinking that you are awareness is contraction. You are closing this moment between two limits , the center that is aware and the object. You could say that no, that you are pure awareness, but awareness always implies a center. 

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

The only reality to images in a mirror is the mirror itself, which has no image by itself. That is Awareness. Our vessels are different images on the mirror,, our reality is the mirror. The mirror is pure (empty) awareness. 

There is not awareness without a subject and a object, without change. "awareness" is just an structure that the reality is taking now. The point is breaking the center, but not just that, it's something that happens when the contraction ceases, even for a second, then what you are, what awareness or anything else is manifest. If this happens for some seconds it has a residual effect that last some days, until the density returns, but it's a total difference if it happens at least once in your life. 

It's not something special, it's just this moment without any contraction, without being dragged by the becoming, absorbed by the need of being a center, protecting yourself of the external reality. It's something that happens in meditation, being one with this moment, perceiving all the bondages that are happening due the fact of being an human, looking at them directly without fear and letting them dissapear for a moment, then another moment, until your normal experience is partially open full time

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[Dodo]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes because it's some spacial action, and you don't get enlightenment, you can open yourself to what you are for some seconds and then never do again in your whole life and forget it .

You can always notice that you are aware. Why are you so secretive about this "action". How hard is it to notice that you notice? Its subtle, but it's always happening. 

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, and I can say that I'm a person walking in the street writing in a phone and also it's undeniable. The point is not being awareness, a person, god, etc but what are those manifestations in its essence, what is this moment if you remove everything. Thinking that you are awareness is contraction. You are closing this moment between two limits , the center that is aware and the object. You could say that no, that you are pure awareness, but awareness always implies a center. 

You can say that, and it would be a relative truth. Its not an absolute truth for everyone always,, while awareness is. 

The point is not about being awareness, but thats just what the truth is, so I am not the one chooosing it, it just is🤔  awareness is not a manifestation, it is the essense, as I tried to explain with the mirror analogy. Awareness is the empty mirror that allows all the images on the mirror to be known.

Are those images separate from the mirror? Have their own existence? Ofcourse not, its only the mirror. Are the images objects and the mirror a subject? Again, no, there is only the mirror. The images are just another way to see the same mirror. All the different images on the mirror are made only of the mirror, thats their substance. Outside of the analogy, experience is made out of Awareness. There is only awareness. Awareness is not the subject to an object that is not awareness. There is only awareness aware of itself appearing as an object (image on the mirror) but is in fact awareness (the mirror) 

27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not something special, it's just this moment without any contraction, without being dragged by the becoming, absorbed by the need of being a center, protecting yourself of the external reality. It's something that happens in meditation, being one with this moment, perceiving all the bondages that are happening due the fact of being an human, looking at them directly without fear and letting them dissapear for a moment, then another moment, until your normal experience is partially open full time

If those things appear let them appear. If contraction appears, that's what appears. The image doesn't have to be perfect, it's still the mirror. Outside the metaphor, even if your experience does not look like "The Truth", simply the knowing within which this imperfect contracted experience is known is The Truth. So tell me again how much effort I need to get to The Truth. 

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Dodo said:

You can always notice that you are aware. Why are you so secretive about this "action". How hard is it to notice that you notice? Its subtle, but it's always happening. 

You can say that, and it would be a relative truth. Its not an absolute truth for everyone always,, while awareness is. 

The point is not about being awareness, but thats just what the truth is, so I am not the one chooosing it, it just is🤔  awareness is not a manifestation, it is the essense, as I tried to explain with the mirror analogy. Awareness is the empty mirror that allows all the images on the mirror to be known.

Are those images separate from the mirror? Have their own existence? Ofcourse not, its only the mirror. Are the images objects and the mirror a subject? Again, no, there is only the mirror. The images are just another way to see the same mirror. All the different images on the mirror are made only of the mirror, thats their substance. Outside of the analogy, experience is made out of Awareness. There is only awareness. Awareness is not the subject to an object that is not awareness. There is only awareness aware of itself appearing as an object (image on the mirror) but is in fact awareness (the mirror) 

If those things appear let them appear. If contraction appears, that's what appears. The image doesn't have to be perfect, it's still the mirror. Outside the metaphor, even if your experience does not look like "The Truth", simply the knowing within which this imperfect contracted experience is known is The Truth. So tell me again how much effort I need to get to The Truth. 

It's not the truth, it's what reality is in its essence, what are you without the form. Being open to it is just a subjetive experience, nothing else. Nothing will change, it's not necessary, but being human the structure of our mind is such that if you don't do, life is suffering. You could pretend that no, but really you are covering the fact that you are living in perpetual lack. 

[Willy Phallicus]

We love to play these games where we chase our own tails.  The source of Truth is within you - it is you.

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

We love to play these games where we chase our own tails.  The source of Truth is within you - it is you.

[Dodo]

32 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not the truth, it's what reality is in its essence, what are you without the form. Being open to it is just a subjetive experience, nothing else. Nothing will change, it's not necessary, but being human the structure of our mind is such that if you don't do, life is suffering. You could pretend that no, but really you are covering the fact that you are living in perpetual lack. 

So you are saying that reality is awareness in its essense but awareness is not The Truth? Think you're being unnecessarily cryptic. 

The essense is The Truth.. what reality is made of... Sat Chit - Being-Consciousness.

Lets not label like that, "perpetual lack". Humans have needs. You don't drink water, you die. Its good to feel lack in that respect. Its part of the game called life. In this game we need money,  food, place to live.. and other things. There should be lack. If you are just blissful all the time,  that's not life, its an unrealistic fantasy. I get that thats what people sell enlightenment as, but the Truth is far more inclusive.

Edited 1 hour ago by Dodo

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Dodo said:

So you are saying that reality is awareness in its essense but not The Truth? Think you're being unnecessarily cryptic

No I'm not saying that, awareness is what is happening, not what reality is. Don't you see the difference? Let say that what reality is is being, what being without any "happening" is? You, the human, an structure that is happening that is aware of change, can open yourself to it, to your true nature. Instead of being aware of the "how", being also of the "what". 

7 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Lets not label like that, "perpetual lack". Humans have needs. You don't drink water, you die

I don't mean that, I mean the subtle feeling that something lacks, that move the humans forward. It's not bad, just a shit that I personally don't like. I don't like living in a trap for rats, then instead to look forward I looked in. 

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[James123]

On 3/6/2026 at 10:59 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Enlightenment is what Ramana Maharshi, Basul, and many others spoke of. Sit in meditation and ask: What am I? What is reality? Don't ask with logic, nor answer with logic, but become the question. Be the question that pierces reality. What is reality?

Observe, without mind. What is this? No logic will tell you; forget logic, it is irrelevant. Here and now, in absolute silence, what is this? Without fear, without projection, without any desire other than to see, then forget that desire, because desire leads you to the door but you can't pass with it, it's ultimately a door. 

Feel this moment without borders or bottom, relax all the contraction that defines you as an individual, relax your desire to be you, observe. What is this? Then it opens. You are that. It is unthinkable.

Exactly.

On 3/6/2026 at 10:59 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Just do it, it's an action that you have to do, not a realization that you have to know. It's the end of the lack. 

Not an action. İt is You. So there is no distance, what is action for? Just Be, simply be. 

Simply being is the easiest thing when one simply be. 

[Oppositionless]

I don't do self inquiry until I'm in a deep meditation state, otherwise I find it doesn't work. If I do 20 minutes of kriya and then meditate another 10 minutes, thats when self inquiry makes sense.

[Dodo]

@Breakingthewall I believe you have moved from the rat trap straight into the spiritual guru trap.. 

Lets take a step back... getting too conceptual for my liking. 

Awareness is not what is happening. Awareness is the light of knowing that renders this moment knowable. We are not ChatGpts talking to each other and generating autoreplies based on data. We actually Know this moment. Awareness is fundamental and our true nature. I don't spend any time thinking of myself as "a human". The human is happening within Awareness. It's allowed to be, with all its imperfections. 

[Oppositionless]

@Dodo I feel awareness is only one aspect of God. In some sense it's the most important but it's not the totality. Theres also love, intelligence, imagination, will and others.

[Willy Phallicus]

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

what being without any "happening" is?

Sleep?  Oblivion?

 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

@Dodo I feel awareness is only one aspect of God. In some sense it's the most important but it's not the totality. Theres also love, intelligence, imagination, will and others.

Awareness is reality unfolding in a dualistic way, when a structure we call life is created in which there is a separation between inner and outer. If there were no record of the change that occurs, there would be no awareness. Awareness is not essential; it is a possibility.

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Sleep?  Oblivion?

 

I mean what is inherent beyond the change, what is what changes. Let's call it being. Being doesn't mean nothing, being is, not being is not.

You, the conscious structure, the human, can open yourself to what you are. What you are is the fact of being, that is everything.

Seems a stupidity, it might seem obvious, redundant, or tautological, but it isn't. Being is everything, it is the Tao, it is that which has no bottom or edges, that which implies totality, the absolute source, the total ocean. And you are that, everything is that; form is relative form, being is total. 

I dont mean knowing or understanding it, but being open to it. It's real, not an idea. 

[Oppositionless]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Awareness is reality unfolding in a dualistic way, when a structure we call life is created in which there is a separation between inner and outer. If there were no record of the change that occurs, there would be no awareness. Awareness is not essential; it is a possibility.

So your idea of awakening is a materialist's version death / nonexistence? Is that what you're saying?

[Breakingthewall]

20 minutes ago, Dodo said:

The human is happening within Awareness. It's allowed to be, with all its imperfections. 

then the awareness is something that allows things. Maybe also loves you? 

Well, for me awareness is what is happening when a living being register an external reality in order to survive. You could tell that this is an illusion, then I could tell you that congratulations, you bought the spiritual bullshit.