What is the Devil

[ZGROPIUS]

What Is the Devil – The Mechanism of Evil argues that the devil does not exist. So in the context of magic and exorcism, when a ritual drives out evil and a person’s symptoms disappear, what is it that has actually been expelled or killed?

Does the concept of the devil refer only to a moral metaphor, or does it also engage with the religious idea of magic and exorcism?

In religious thought, spirit possession, demonic possession, or ghost possession is believed to place thoughts into a person’s mind—sinful words, impulsive actions, hatred, anger, and aggression. Religion clams that demons exist and the devils are individual entities within a spiritual realm.

 

Edited yesterday at 06:12 AM by ZGROPIUS

[Yimpa]

What is not Truth, that's all.

[Cred]

1

There is no evil outside of self-hatred.

There is no personality disorder without self-hatred.

A demon is a personality disorder.

2

Understanding of nerodivergency is understanding of the self.

Understanding of the self is the basis for real self-acceptance which allows for authenticity.

 

Authenticity is what kills demons.

Edited 16 hours ago by Cred

[ZGROPIUS]

55 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

What is not Truth, that's all.

I want to discuss how the “magic realm” connects to Actualized.org’s teachings.

How do reincarnation, magic which affects the luck, health, relationship, career and various gods relate to the theories taught there?

 

[Yimpa]

@ZGROPIUS I don’t know, to be honest.

Spoiler

 

 

[VioletFlame]

I think the devil can be found in the self. For example, our shadow side can be closely related or akin to the "devil", but it is our responsibility as humans to become aware of it, and to heal our shadow self, so that we can become as close to "God" (however you wish to define that) as we possibly can and also so we can become better, more developed, and self-aware beings. There is a light in our shadow, if you will. It's a non-dualistic concept in my opinion. Both God and the devil can be found in the self, externally too, of course, but also internally. 

I think we can actually learn a whole lot about ourselves when we become aware of our own devilish nature, behaviors, thoughts, feelings, etc. But that's just my opinion. 

Edited 11 hours ago by VioletFlame

[Joseph Maynor]

5 hours ago, Cred said:

Authenticity is what kills demons.

I like this.  This is actually very profound and true.  Read the way I'm reading it of course.  

[Cred]

6 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I like this.  This is actually very profound and true.  Read the way I'm reading it of course.  

It is way deeper than you think.

I might have just decoded Greek mythology.

Hear me out. Here are my thoughts

Zeus represents the ideal, virtue and restraint. The reason why he is always sleeping around, is that restraint necessarily causes destructive coping mechanisms. Zeus represents self-denial about those mechanisms. Israel is a manifestation of Zeus.

Prometheus represents the fire of passion and desire. He wants to obey to the ideal but becomes aware of the coping mechanisms. This leads him to being torn between the passion and the ideal. The result of this conflict is the agonizing pain of self-hatred, symbolized by the eagle eating the liver of Prometheus, which is the symbol of both America and fascism of course.

Liberalism is the manifestation of Prometheus and his agony. This is represented by the west and the USA. If you deeply study the psychology of people like Trump and Musk, you will realize, that they genuinely want to give people what they want so they are getting praise in hopes that this praise will cure their self-hatred which it doesn't. This is what narcissism is.

Heracles is the one to slay the eagle which means that he represents the defeat of self-hatred. In history there are two different interpretations of the idea of Heracles. The first one is fascism. It's solution of the problem with self-hatred is to double down on narcissism and enable it.

For me, Heracles symbolizes Marxist-Leninist ideology. This is what Nietzsche truly meant with "herrenmoral". The Nazis misinterpreted Nietzsche's critique of slave morality to falsely worship Prometheus.

This is only a sketch and might need refinement, but I think it's cool enough to write down and share it.

Edit: Hey! It seems I have just reverse engineered Spiral Dynamics lol.

• Stage blue is a manifestation of Zeus.
• Stage orange is a manifestation of Prometheus.
• Stage green is a manifestation of Heracles.

That makes sense bc I've been a big fan of stage green people and lifestyle lately. Ever since I started embracing true neurodivergent authenticity in my life, I started to see all these cosmic patterns everywhere. I think this might be my stage yellow kicking in. 

Bruh stage yellow seems to not be universal at all. Seeing patterns, that's just autism lmao

Edited 4 hours ago by Cred

[Joseph Maynor]

3 hours ago, Cred said:

It is way deeper than you think.

True.  I was reading it more like when you are authentic and embody Love you create less demons.  You attract less demons due to your energy.  

[ZGROPIUS]

Before I had experienced real and effective exorcism, evil spirit banishment, divine or magical help in my life, I considered demons, angels, and various gods as philosophical metaphors. Now, I believe that demons are independent conscious entities, and after reincarnation, people may attain enlightenment and practice, eventually becoming the gods that help me today.

 

[Ziran]

On 3/6/2026 at 1:12 AM, ZGROPIUS said:

 ... what is it that has actually been expelled or killed?

A malignant recurring thought-form, usually emerging from aconfluence of useful, highly-rewarding, overly and inappropriately used, defense mechanisms.  

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Does the concept of the devil refer only to a moral metaphor, or does it also engage with the religious idea of magic and exorcism?

No

[ZGROPIUS]

5 minutes ago, Ziran said:

A malignant recurring thought-form, usually emerging from aconfluence of useful, highly-rewarding, overly and inappropriately used, defense mechanisms.  

No

which one is no？Does Leo’s teaching on spirituality discuss moral metaphors, or actual spirituality and magic?