The AI crash is impossible - Change my View

[LordFall]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Show me one serious software made by AI.

I am calling all these tech bro bluffs. Show me reciepts or pipe down about AI.

I made this website for a creatives community in my city in literally one prompt. 

https://calgary-creatives-hub--kylefall.replit.app

It's not fully functional yet but I'm not a web designer and this version already looks good enough for a MVP. If I play around with it for a couple hours I'm hoping to figure out the login portion for users. That's pretty wild to me, I used to run a website agency and I had to pay people hundreds of dollars to design websites for me. I did this one on the free version without even paying the $20/month subscription 

[bazera]

 

"Humans are gradually becoming less involved in the loop of recursive self-improvement. It's not fully automated, it may be end of this year, but not later than next year" - Elon Musk

Bullshit hype continues? Or there is something happening that we're not aware of. Probably not.

[integral]

@LordFall Not bad for 1 prompt, i build this in 2 days for a client last week https://www.lavoietransit.com/, also includes backend server for hosting inventory admin login and form submission. It also has AI image enhancement so they can upgrade there phone images when they upload it to the site. Also all mobile ready.

But web dev is not "serious" software development because its not a complex system with alot of moving parts, so non of this qualifies for leo lol.

I build this https://www.polyfire.trade/ chrome extension and website in about a month. Both the extension and the website are build 100% with AI.

Edited Thursday at 01:30 PM by integral

[bazera]

1 hour ago, integral said:

But web dev is not "serious" software development because its not a complex system with alot of moving parts

Depends on the app.

[LordFall]

2 hours ago, integral said:

@LordFall Not bad for 1 prompt, i build this in 2 days for a client last week https://www.lavoietransit.com/, also includes backend server for hosting inventory admin login and form submission. It also has AI image enhancement so they can upgrade there phone images when they upload it to the site. Also all mobile ready.

But web dev is not "serious" software development because its not a complex system with alot of moving parts, so non of this qualifies for leo lol.

I build this https://www.polyfire.trade/ chrome extension and website in about a month. Both the extension and the website are build 100% with AI.

That's cool I like them! It doesn't matter what one Leo perceives as his thresh hold for recognizing impressive software, the marketplace is not about any opinion its about capital changing hands. If you're not in the business daily only have speculation to form an opinion over. The AI software today is already magical, I'm being a bit lazy to start running openclaw/claude bot agent on my machine but I'll do it soon and recommend everyone else on this forum do as well otherwise soon enough you're gonna be asking JD Vance and Sam Altman for your UBI check. 

[Butters]

18 hours ago, bazera said:

It's not fully automated, it may be end of this year, but not later than next year" - Elon Musk

Yeah he's an idiot. All his top engineers at Grok have left. He also said that you wouldn't have to study medicine anymore because the AI will just do everything in 4 years. Total bull. 

 

 

[integral]

2 hours ago, Butters said:

Yeah he's an idiot. All his top engineers at Grok have left. He also said that you wouldn't have to study medicine anymore because the AI will just do everything in 4 years. Total bull.

 

If i was working for elon i would of left the moment he started pushing trump. No way top tallet is motivated to give elon there time.

The political games he played will cost him in the long run, most top talent and half his consumers are liberal leaning and hate trump..

Edited yesterday at 12:01 AM by integral

[integral]

8 hours ago, LordFall said:

That's cool I like them! It doesn't matter what one Leo perceives as his thresh hold for recognizing impressive software, the marketplace is not about any opinion its about capital changing hands. If you're not in the business daily only have speculation to form an opinion over. The AI software today is already magical, I'm being a bit lazy to start running openclaw/claude bot agent on my machine but I'll do it soon and recommend everyone else on this forum do as well otherwise soon enough you're gonna be asking JD Vance and Sam Altman for your UBI check. 

lmao its hard to beat claude code right now with open source tech. I agree its magical but the people who spent 10 years grinding coding with there bare hands are the ones that really appreciate it. 

[bazera]

5 hours ago, Butters said:

He also said that you wouldn't have to study medicine anymore because the AI will just do everything in 4 years.

He said couple years ago that the age of self-driving cars being everywhere was just around the corner.

Well, when was the last time you saw a self-driving car on the streets. I don't believe anything he says.

[danniel]

@bazera they were making the same point as you did lol

13 hours ago, bazera said:

He said couple years ago that the age of self-driving cars being everywhere was just around the corner.

Well, when was the last time you saw a self-driving car on the streets. I don't believe anything he says.

 

[bazera]

56 minutes ago, danniel said:

they were making the same point as you did lol

Who, Elon?

[Butters]

15 hours ago, bazera said:

He said couple years ago that the age of self-driving cars being everywhere was just around the corner.

Well, when was the last time you saw a self-driving car on the streets. I don't believe anything he says.

I think he says these things just for lolz. Maybe it increases the stock price, maybe not. He just enjoys attention is all. 

[bazera]

1 minute ago, Butters said:

I think he says these things just for lolz. Maybe it increases the stock price, maybe not. He just enjoys attention is all. 

That's why I don't take him seriously anymore. Maybe I should, but I just can't by into the bullshit hype.

Time will tell.

[bazera]

Good post, wanted to share it.

[LordFall]

1 hour ago, bazera said:

Good post, wanted to share it.

It's a good breakdown but a bad post. What makes products/services/businesses valuable is not their complexity it's the labor that's thrown at figuring out these issues. You can soon rent computing hours from AI labs that will do all these things. You can just throw that whole text in the instructions and it'll figure out the problems. The rest is product market fit and marketing. 

If you don't know how to sell stuff it's gonna be underwhelming but if you already got an operation and particularly if you see gaps in its effectiveness this stuff is pretty revolutionary. 

 

[bazera]

6 minutes ago, LordFall said:

You can soon rent computing hours from AI labs that will do all these things. You can just throw that whole text in the instructions and it'll figure out the problems.

Sorry, I just don't buy into that idea.

Maybe on a very small scale, that could work. But when you are talking about huge systems with lots of moving parts, you might end up issues like this one:

 

[LordFall]

@bazera Have you tried it or are you watching random videos to help you cope?

You know that there was many serious conversations across top business circles around the 90s where a lot of people's concensus was that they should not invest in the internet and it was a fad that had no serious business applications right? 

Many people in the radio industry thought that Television was a really stupid idea and why would americans sit in front of a box instead of listening radio and living their lives. It was going backwards! Same with the classic Blockbusters telling Netflix their product is shit and they would never invest in it. 

I don't think you understand finance if you think that one small application that hasn't fully worked yet means anything. Amazon runs its whole platform on AWS which is riddled with automation and AI. AI is gonna make them millions today. Such a foolish argument. 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by LordFall

[bazera]

13 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Have you tried it or are you watching random videos to help you cope?

I'm using Claude Code, Codex, Cursor, etc to automate and improve my job daily. I'm learning all the intricacies of Claude Code to use it effectively. I'm also digging into LLM architecture, learning to build a smaller scale of it from scratch to understand it deeper. I've also build couple small to medium sized web-apps with 90% AI generated code. It's awesome.

I was just pointing out that it's unrealistic to expect that AI dependense will get you very far when you're gonna try to scale up systems, without technical knowledge. First, you need to understand what you are doing at those levels, and then AI would help a lot.

13 minutes ago, LordFall said:

people's concensus was that they should not invest in the internet and it was a fad that had no serious business applications right? 

I'm not saying AI is a fad, obviously. I just haven't seen a huge distributed systems built with AI by people with no technical expertise. That's just silly. As I said before, Claude Code is very powerful in hands of an expert, who can actually take charge when things go south. And it does many times.

Btw, I'm not arguing that you can't build some relatively easy web app from scratch with Claude Code for example and earn some money. I think you can. But based on my experience, when working with already existing systems, you still need massive technical knowledge and experience.

Edited 3 hours ago by bazera

[bazera]

18 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Many people in the radio industry thought that Television was a really stupid idea and why would americans sit in front of a box instead of listening radio and living their lives. It was going backwards! Same with the classic Blockbusters telling Netflix their product is shit and they would never invest in it. 

LLM assisted coding has a big potential and I'm heaviliy invested in it, both on a practical and theoritical sides. 

But there are many downsides that I don't want us to miss, especially for people who depend on it daily now, like software developers.

Vibe-coding doesn't come without a cost. You pay with certain stuff, and if you're not careful, it might bite you further down the road.