Veil of being spiritual, god, infinite or being something

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Emmely said:

Once you are in the matrix, you have to live within the means of its constructs, even though you may not accept them as an ultimate reality. You are inherently confined, even if awakened. Please correct me if I am wrong. 

Correct, only there isn't a you in the matrix, and there isn't a you that gets out of the matrix 🤯 

The matrix is just reality experienced through the conditioned self illusions perspective.

When that self illusion is gone, nothing physically changes at all. The appearance is exactly the same.

But what happens is all the meaning, purpose and value falls away from reality. Everything is no longer about and intertwined with the self illusion being at the center of it all.

 

The body still functions in society owns a home, grocery shops, raises the children and follows the laws or risks fines and or going to jail or whatever.

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

But what happens is all the meaning, purpose and value falls away from reality

That simply means the meaning ceases to be relevant to you, nothing more. For example, in your case, if they tell you that tomorrow you're going to enter a Nigerian prison for life, that would mean nothing to you; you'd be just as happy as winning the lottery, and that's fine, but it doesn't signify enlightenment. 

Look, you are, that's undeniable. The present moment is, or the reality is if you prefer. In your case, you're someone for whom being tortured by the Inquisition for two years or eating ice cream is the same thing; in my case, that's not so. But that doesn't mean anything in relation to the matter of enlightenment.

The fact is that our experience, the now, this instant, occurs in a dense, opaque form. Enlightenment is the opening of that density, the fracturing of becoming, and the basic emotional contraction of the desire to be. This can happen in just a moment; it's an energetic shift, and in it, what reality is manifests. The total, period. Life and death occur in becoming. I and others are the same; the total cannot be defined or thought, it is what reality is.

It's not the same than your normal experience but without the illusion of the self, it's not becoming, it's the self, the structure or form that reality is creating now opening itself to what reality is. 

Edited Thursday at 08:28 PM by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That simply means the meaning ceases to be relevant to you, nothing more. For example, in your case, if they tell you that tomorrow you're going to enter a Nigerian prison for life, that would mean nothing to you; you'd be just as happy as winning the lottery, and that's fine, but it doesn't signify enlightenment. 

Look, you are, that's undeniable. The present moment is, or the reality is if you prefer. In your case, you're someone for whom being tortured by the Inquisition for two years or eating ice cream is the same thing; in my case, that's not so. But that doesn't mean anything in relation to the matter of enlightenment.

The fact is that our experience, the now, this instant, occurs in a dense, opaque form. Enlightenment is the opening of that density, the fracturing of becoming, and the basic emotional contraction of the desire to be. This can happen in just a moment; it's an energetic shift, and in it, what reality is manifests. The total, period. Life and death occur in becoming. I and others are the same; the total cannot be defined or thought, it is what reality is.

It's not the same than your normal experience but without the illusion of the self, it's not becoming, it's the self, the structure of form that reality is creating now opening itself to what reality is. 

As a temporary form things can seem to matter.

Ultimately nothing matters.

There doesn't need to be an agreeance on it.........it's all good in da hood!

[James123]

5 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Ultimately nothing matters.

How do you know? What is matter or not matter?

[Breakingthewall]

49 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Ultimately nothing matters.

Nothing matters is an appreciation that is opposite to something matters, is just a judgement that happens in your mind. 

[VeganAwake]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Nothing matters is an appreciation that is opposite to something matters, is just a judgement that happens in your mind. 

Well so is something being labeled an appreciation and having an opposite.

There aren't any real opposites.

That's just what seems to be true through the conditioned self illusion that believes it knows!

[VeganAwake]

8 hours ago, James123 said:

How do you know? What is matter or not matter?

Nobody knows & nothing 

[James123]

35 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Nobody knows & nothing 

So why the you say ultimately nothing matters. How the fuck you know that. 

Keep fucking watching the videos. 😂 

You are like a fucking belly dancer. Keep curling 😂 

[Mellowmarsh]

15 hours ago, Ziran said:

With all due respect, the limit here is on knowing.  Knowing is binary.  On | Off.   Knowing, at best, grants a superficial, tautology, a snapshot in time.  Nothing is an event which is happening.  Holding it in stasis is an incomplete conception.

Knowing nothing is a binary knowing in the instant that knowing arises one with the knowing. 
 

Hold that thought. 👍

[VeganAwake]

8 hours ago, James123 said:

So why the you say ultimately nothing matters. How the fuck you know that. 

Because when that James123 body dies, there will no longer be a self illusion to claim that something matters or not. 

So something seemingly mattering while the body is alive, ultimately doesn't matter later when the body is dead.

It doesn't matter now either actually.......it can just seem to......and that's ok!

80 years of pain and suffering end up being identical to 80 years of peace and tranquility after body death.

So in that sense ultimately nothing matters!!!!!

GET IT GENIUS 🤣

[Someone here]

11 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Because when that James123 body dies, there will no longer be a self illusion to claim that something matters or not. 

So something seemingly mattering while the body is alive, ultimately doesn't matter later when the body is dead.

It doesn't matter now either actually.......it can just seem to......and that's ok!

80 years of pain and suffering end up being identical to 80 years of peace and tranquility after body death.

So in that sense ultimately nothing matters!!!!!

GET IT GENIUS 🤣

But this assumes the death of the body is the ultimate end of everything and there is no Karma or further incarnations. If so..then Why are you currently incarnated in that body doing what you're doing living that specific life going through those certain experiences and why I'm having mine and not yours?  It's our karma. Why are you not currently living the life of a cow in a slaughter shop?

You don't literally believe after death its just eternal darkness? 

Even science doesn't say this anymore .countless evidence that conscious experience survives the death of the body. Look into near death experiences.

[VeganAwake]

32 minutes ago, Someone here said:

But this assumes the death of the body is the ultimate end of everything and there is no Karma or further incarnations. If so..then Why are you currently incarnated in that body doing what you're doing living that specific life going through those certain experiences and why I'm having mine and not yours?  It's our karma. Why are you not currently living the life of a cow in a slaughter shop?

You don't literally believe after death its just eternal darkness? 

Even science doesn't say this anymore .countless evidence that conscious experience survives the death of the body. Look into near death experiences.

Nothing is incarnated now, so nothing gets reincarnated later.

Karma/incarnation/reincarnation are just concepts created by humans.

There isn't a you or a me incarnated in the bodies now.......it's just the bodies!

Soul, spirit, karma, god, satan, heaven, hell, reincarnation ......... These are all just human made fictional concepts.

That body is not this body the same way that this body is not a cows body and so on. 

Humans are desperately afraid of death. They simply can't face it and be realistic. 

So they just created their own concepts about life and death to make themselves feel secure and warm and fuzzy inside. Then these conditioned concepts are simply passed down to their offspring who get brainwashed into believing these silly concepts.

Death is only scary because it's unfamiliar and inconceivable for the body.

Death is the end of that fear, it's also the end of bravery.

Bodily death is the end of the human story permanently.

[James123]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

Because when that James123 body dies, there will no longer be a self illusion to claim that something matters or not. 

So something seemingly mattering while the body is alive, ultimately doesn't matter later when the body is dead.

It doesn't matter now either actually.......it can just seem to......and that's ok!

80 years of pain and suffering end up being identical to 80 years of peace and tranquility after body death.

So in that sense ultimately nothing matters!!!!!

GET IT GENIUS 🤣

No. Death belongs to body and mind. Such as saying illusion or nothing matters.

Keep watching videos, reading and twerking.

18 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Nothing is incarnated now, so nothing gets reincarnated later.

Karma/incarnation/reincarnation are just concepts created by humans.

There isn't a you or a me incarnated in the bodies now.......it's just the bodies!

Soul, spirit, karma, god, satan, heaven, hell, reincarnation ......... These are all just human made fictional concepts.

That body is not this body the same way that this body is not a cows body and so on. 

Humans are desperately afraid of death. They simply can't face it and be realistic. 

So they just created their own concepts about life and death to make themselves feel secure and warm and fuzzy inside. Then these conditioned concepts are simply passed down to their offspring who get brainwashed into believing these silly concepts.

Death is only scary because it's unfamiliar and inconceivable for the body.

Death is the end of that fear, it's also the end of bravery.

Bodily death is the end of the human story permanently.

You are always what you are. Reincarnation, other life etc... all belongs to body and mind. When mind is surrendered there is no future for body, just simply reacting, flowing with life within moment. 

[Someone here]

24 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Nothing is incarnated now, so nothing gets reincarnated later.

This gets us nowhere. Too absolutist .

24 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Karma/incarnation/reincarnation are just concepts created by humans.

Use whatever term you want. You are apparently the VeganAwake human being living a very specific life with very meaningful events .almost like a novel or movie script.  How does that fit into the big picture of existence or creation as a whole?  Is it just coincidence? It doesn't appear like it is at all.

24 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Soul, spirit, karma, god, satan, heaven, hell, reincarnation ......... These are all just human made fictional concepts.

They are concepts pointing to something which is NOT conceptual . The concept "the kingdom of heaven "that Jesus talks about in the Bible is a metaphore for awakening. 

24 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

That body is not this body the same way that this body is not a cows body and so on. 

You didn't answer the question. Why are you currently not a cow ?

24 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Humans are desperately afraid of death. They simply can't face it and be realistic. 

So they just created their own concepts about life and death to make themselves feel secure and warm and fuzzy inside. Then these conditioned concepts are simply passed down to their offspring who get brainwashed into believing these silly concepts.

Death is only scary because it's unfamiliar and inconceivable for the body.

Death is the end of that fear, it's also the end of bravery.

Bodily death is the end of the human story permanently.

You don't know any of that for a fact . Humble yourself and admit you don't know what death is or what comes after it .

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Someone here

[tvali]

On 3/3/2026 at 5:29 AM, James123 said:

The matrix is not only waking up from material world to spiritual world. It is the entire fucking universe or infinity. 

The matrix is your beliefs, experiences, ideas, assumptions, interpretations.

With new experiences, new beliefs, old you becomes new you, and after again with new experiences, beliefs old you becomes new you. Such as I was Muslim, I am a spiritual person now or I wake up from matrix, now I am God in human form or I am god and I forget I wasn't it or I didn't know anything, listening this, experiencing this, now I now everything or I was a person but now I am infinite.

All is fucking bullshit. All is what you call matrix.

What You are is unnameable, inexperiencable, ungraspable.

Even, Be or simply be is too much. 

Life, mind, existence, infinite, god, universe can not explain, evaluate or grasp. Because, they are the matrix itself. 

You was muslim, but became spiritual: sufi is the muslim form of spirituality, but in our modern sense so few of muslim spirituality exists - I see many muslims, but mostly they do not take the free mind approach -; based on your experience: could you formulate the spiritual principles of words of Muhammad, and to help sufis create on this spiritual blend; I think your view is kind of enlightenment, and perhaps in long term you can share some with your brothers Muslims?

I am buddhist and I do not have to even call myself spiritual - it's very common form of Buddhism -; I can see Buddhism is developed number 1 in this sense; Christianity might be nr. 2 of major religions in sense of how many followers (I do not count each small religion); Muslims are not much more than 3rd in this, given the most public and popular: I do not count deep muslim and christian ascendants here, but the popular views I see on the bookshelf and not in some rare weird place being a welcome guest.

[James123]

1 hour ago, tvali said:

based on your experience: could you formulate the spiritual principles of words of Muhammad, and to help sufis create on this spiritual blend; I think your view is kind of enlightenment, and perhaps in long term you can share some with your brothers Muslims?

I can share with anyone. But, it is so difficult for people to free the mind. Because, they love attachment, they love to be as self, ego or me and they are afraid of vanishing.

I am this, I am that, they love this bullshit. Because, people love to be listened and be front. Fucking bullshit.

Therefore, my words are just words. No one can the walk the path for you.

[Ziran]

9 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Knowing nothing is a binary knowing in the instant that knowing arises one with the knowing. 

Agreed.  And in that instant the knowing is incomplete. 

9 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Hold that thought. 👍

Why?

 

[Joseph Maynor]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

I can share with anyone. But, it is so difficult for people to free the mind. Because, they love attachment, they love to be as self, ego or me and they are afraid of vanishing.

I am this, I am that, they love this bullshit. Because, people love to be listened and be front. Fucking bullshit.

Therefore, my words are just words. No one can the walk the path for you.

Why are you so concerned with what other people are doing?  I suppose I could turn this question around on myself too.  That is fair.  But it's interesting.  Why are we so concerned with what other people are doing is probably the better question.

Edited 8 hours ago by Joseph Maynor

[James123]

27 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Why are you so concerned with what other people are doing?  I suppose I could turn this question around on myself too.  That is fair.  But it's interesting.  Why are we so concerned with what other people are doing is probably the better question.

I am not concerned. Body is love. I just talk, you are the one decide what to do.

You should stop asking questions. Be witness who is asking.

[VeganAwake]

@James123 @Someone here  

Hell I like you boys! We should have some tea together one day!

It was just pointers to have a look at if you want!

Nobody can convince. It has to be recognized there!

 

Now back to my coffee, and humbling/ twerking practice videos 🤣