Veil of being spiritual, god, infinite or being something

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Emmely said:

Once you are in the matrix, you have to live within the means of its constructs, even though you may not accept them as an ultimate reality. You are inherently confined, even if awakened. Please correct me if I am wrong. 

Correct, only there isn't a you in the matrix, and there isn't a you that gets out of the matrix 🤯 

The matrix is just reality experienced through the conditioned self illusions perspective.

When that self illusion is gone, nothing physically changes at all. The appearance is exactly the same.

But what happens is all the meaning, purpose and value falls away from reality. Everything is no longer about and intertwined with the self illusion being at the center of it all.

 

The body still functions in society owns a home, grocery shops, raises the children and follows the laws or risks fines and or going to jail or whatever.

 

[Breakingthewall]

26 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

But what happens is all the meaning, purpose and value falls away from reality

That simply means the meaning ceases to be relevant to you, nothing more. For example, in your case, if they tell you that tomorrow you're going to enter a Nigerian prison for life, that would mean nothing to you; you'd be just as happy as winning the lottery, and that's fine, but it doesn't signify enlightenment. 

Look, you are, that's undeniable. The present moment is, or the reality is if you prefer. In your case, you're someone for whom being tortured by the Inquisition for two years or eating ice cream is the same thing; in my case, that's not so. But that doesn't mean anything in relation to the matter of enlightenment.

The fact is that our experience, the now, this instant, occurs in a dense, opaque form. Enlightenment is the opening of that density, the fracturing of becoming, and the basic emotional contraction of the desire to be. This can happen in just a moment; it's an energetic shift, and in it, what reality is manifests. The total, period. Life and death occur in becoming. I and others are the same; the total cannot be defined or thought, it is what reality is.

It's not the same than your normal experience but without the illusion of the self, it's not becoming, it's the self, the structure of form that reality is creating now opening itself to what reality is. 

[VeganAwake]

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That simply means the meaning ceases to be relevant to you, nothing more. For example, in your case, if they tell you that tomorrow you're going to enter a Nigerian prison for life, that would mean nothing to you; you'd be just as happy as winning the lottery, and that's fine, but it doesn't signify enlightenment. 

Look, you are, that's undeniable. The present moment is, or the reality is if you prefer. In your case, you're someone for whom being tortured by the Inquisition for two years or eating ice cream is the same thing; in my case, that's not so. But that doesn't mean anything in relation to the matter of enlightenment.

The fact is that our experience, the now, this instant, occurs in a dense, opaque form. Enlightenment is the opening of that density, the fracturing of becoming, and the basic emotional contraction of the desire to be. This can happen in just a moment; it's an energetic shift, and in it, what reality is manifests. The total, period. Life and death occur in becoming. I and others are the same; the total cannot be defined or thought, it is what reality is.

It's not the same than your normal experience but without the illusion of the self, it's not becoming, it's the self, the structure of form that reality is creating now opening itself to what reality is. 

As a temporary form things can seem to matter.

Ultimately nothing matters.

There doesn't need to be an agreeance on it.........it's all good in da hood!

[James123]

5 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Ultimately nothing matters.

How do you know? What is matter or not matter?

[Breakingthewall]

49 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Ultimately nothing matters.

Nothing matters is an appreciation that is opposite to something matters, is just a judgement that happens in your mind.