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[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

don't need to imagine anything, I just need to recognize current and historical facts in the Middle East, which have no comparison with nowhere else in the world right now

Of course not, the Uyghur cleanse is a real cleanse, not a war or dispute. Imagine if the Uyghur do the 8 Oct in china😅

better don't imagine. 

Edited Monday at 10:39 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Of course good and bad things exist in the details. What I meant is that non of the sides is the source of the problem but the dynamics between them.

Yeah there is a bad problem, but why iran is so concerned? Because they are also Muslims? Why they aren't concerned by the Uyghurs? Nothing. No mention. If you understand this, you will understand the Islamic question 

Edited Monday at 10:50 PM by Breakingthewall

[Nivsch]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

but why iran is so concerned?

About what?

[Breakingthewall]

54 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

About what?

About why Islamic countries hate israel. Why iran hate Israel. They are not Arabs. Or turkey. Do you think they hate israel because the conflict with Palestinian? There are thousands of other conflicts anywhere with much more casualties. But they are so concerned about the Palestinian. In Israel a Palestinian can be a doctor, a judge, a politician, a soldier in IDF, a policeman. It's not so genocidal right? If you compare with any other fight between tribes, it's not worse than others . It's just a conflict, of course bad, but are conflict everywhere, look Yemen or sudan . Why Israel is so important for them? Why they don't care about Uyghurs, a real genocide?

Edited yesterday at 12:00 AM by Breakingthewall

[Hatfort]

Pretty good recount of the latest news about the war and many of its effects by Kyle Kulinsky.

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

About why Islamic countries hate israel. Why iran hate Israel. They are not Arabs. Or turkey. Do you think they hate israel because the conflict with Palestinian? There are thousands of other conflicts anywhere with much more casualties. But they are so concerned about the Palestinian. In Israel a Palestinian can be a doctor, a judge, a politician, a soldier in IDF, a policeman. It's not so genocidal right? If you compare with any other fight between tribes, it's not worse than others . It's just a conflict, of course bad, but are conflict everywhere, look Yemen or sudan . Why Israel is so important for them? Why they don't care about Uyghurs, a real genocide?

A minor amount of research explains this but you are too stubborn and lacking in critical thinking to understand these concepts. Most people on the thread aren’t responding to your bizarre ramblings because it’s like talking to a brick wall.

Two obvious examples demonstrating this from your replies, the Uyghur “genocide” has killed a fraction of Uyghurs as Israel has killed Palestinians, you use it as an example of how Gaza isn’t a “real” genocide in comparison because Palestinian citizens who aren’t in Gaza can get jobs in Israel, you clearly don’t know that is the same for Uyghurs whom in mainland China have the same rights as Chinese citizens and also can work as doctors, police and China officially reserves seats for minority nationalities in these institutions. etc. They do still face discrimination and security scrutiny, but so do Palestinian citizens, also it’s irrelevant to the genocide charge of Xinjiang or Gaza.

You also suggest at the top of this page the Uyghurs doing an “Oct 8” as some bizarre gotcha when you’re told it’s irrelevant as though since they didn’t carry out an attack like Palestinian militants somehow they are better victims or something. For one this shows a profound lack of morality or understanding, what Uyghurs or Palestinian militants do or don’t do is irrelevant to charges of war crimes against the rest of the population.

Next the Palestinian attacks from Gaza were on Oct 7 on 8, and Uyghur militants had carried out multiple terror attacks which is what spurred the Chinese government to dramatically ramp up their repression, so your point doesn’t even make sense. It’s actually a similar situation in that regard.. Once again, you do not know basic facts about the things you talk about. This isn’t hidden information. You literally use an emoji like what you’re saying is so obvious and mocking people for not getting it when literally a 5 second google search completely demolishes the basis of your entire comment.

China was never accused of genocide as defined by a international legal body or accredited scholars, they were accused of cultural genocide, you not understanding the difference once again demonstrates profound ignorance.

Palestinians who are occupied can’t become doctors, judges, politicians, in Israel, those are the Palestinian citizens, who notable do not resist Israel. What you’re saying is the equivalent of being confused by blacks in Jim Crow south protest when blacks in Northern America at the time didn’t have segregation. It makes you look remarkably dense when you can’t process that just because a group is the same national or racial group they can have different circumstances and situations? 

You don’t know these basic things that can be found in a 10 second google search or asking chat gpt but continue to wax poetic as though you are granting grand philosophical insights and insightful questions. You’ve been doing this for years and somehow become more ignorant the more time passes. The cringe from this is second only to your geopolitical analysis, for example you thought the entire Iranian regime would collapse in a couple days when there were protests, now they are getting mass bombed and even the US and israel aren’t talking about regime change anymore. Did you ever take a step back and consider maybe you don’t actually understand the things you talk about? No, you just revert to a bizarre hypocritical nihilism where you dismiss claims of war crimes and massacres by bringing up some unrelated irrelevant issue but then yourself bring up some other irrelevant issue like lack of gay rights and act like that somehow morally justifies some completely unrelated thing.

Back when I put your comments in chat gpt, and yes I cleared the history so it was not based on memory of my opinions, I asked it to try and calculate your age and how long you’ve grappled with the topics based on your statements and understanding, and it kept insisting you were 15 or younger and had learned about these issues a couple months prior. In reality you are in your late 20s-30s and have been discussing them on here for years.

Ive gotten things wrong on this forum, I’ve said ignorant things, I’ve lost arguments, but I can’t imagine being this proudly ignorant and lacking in self awareness, and somehow remaining this way for months. 

Edited yesterday at 12:54 AM by Raze

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Raze said:

minor amount of research explains this but you are too stubborn and lacking in critical thinking to understand these concepts. Most people on the thread aren’t responding to your bizarre ramblings because it’s like talking to a brick wall.

Why do you insult? Maybe do you think that by insulting you have any reason, oh noble fighter of the freedom?

8 hours ago, Raze said:

who aren’t in Gaza can get jobs in Israel, you clearly don’t know that is the same for Uyghurs whom in mainland China have the same rights as Chinese citizens

Yes , except that they have forbidden do Ramadan, have Muslim names, be Uyghurs. 

8 hours ago, Raze said:

Palestinians who are occupied can’t become doctors, judges, politicians, in Israel, t

8 hours ago, Raze said:

 

 

Exactly! Those who don't want to kill the Jews. Those who want to kill the Jews, like gazans, can't be doctors in Israel . Crazy right? Those evil Jews....but if they would accept Israel, focus themselves in progress, we will see what they would get. Instead that, they voted for Hamas. 

8 hours ago, Raze said:

You don’t know these basic things that can be found in a 10 second google search or asking chat gpt but continue to wax poetic as though you are granting grand philosophical insights and insightful questions. You’ve been doing this for years and somehow become more ignorant the more time passes

Your are wrong, the problem here is that you can't understand what I'm saying, because you are so full of justice and nobility that you only can see your nobility and justice. Oh noble fighter! Oh pure soul! Fuck, if I were a girl I would fall in love. Oh che de Guevara, noble, noble, noble! 

8 hours ago, Raze said:

Ive gotten things wrong on this forum, I’ve said ignorant things, I’ve lost arguments, but I can’t imagine being this proudly ignorant and lacking in self awareness, and somehow remaining this way for months. 

Let me explain it simply, oh noble soul. We'll see if you understand. Muslims are people who absolutely believe in a medieval religion. For them, the essential thing is to go to paradise, and to do so they must obey the rules dictated by a warlord in the year 600. Their banner is victimhood; this is how they feel united and strong in their strange ideology, since without it they would realize the stupidity of their paradigm. They are purely emotional, not rational. Same than you. You have the feeling that West is bad and Palestinian are good, then you find the reasons to justify that. It's exactly the opposite way to reach conclusions. 

The Chinese call this "mental illness," and they try to cure it in reeducation camps, with considerable success. In the Middle East, these people have oil, the most valuable resource, and Israel was founded in the middle of it.

This causes problems because these people don't want to reason. They are like you: they need to feel noble, righteously indignant, full of righteous anger, pure, holy, fighters. Poor people, lifeless, without light, sad, dull. Like you.

But some of them just pretend believing this stupidity to make happy their people, they really want business and prosperity, that's why a hope is possible, little by little, until this mental virus dissapear , if the gods are generous. 

Where do you live? In a Muslim paradise like Bangladesh or siria, or in a horrible place enslaved by the satanic empire like Germany, Canada, Korea, Japan? Probably you think that the situation in the Muslim countries is bad due the west, and that the west is a rotten civilization. It use to happen to people who are losers in life. Thinking that way, they blame others for their lack of success. Just as ......the Muslims!!! Bingo!!!!!!

Edited yesterday at 08:49 AM by Breakingthewall

[Raze]

46 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why do you insult? Maybe do you think that by insulting you have any reason, oh noble fighter of the freedom?

Yes , except that they have forbidden do Ramadan, have Muslim names, be Uyghurs. 

Exactly! Those who don't want to kill the Jews. Those who want to kill the Jews, like gazans, can't be doctors in Israel . Crazy right? Those evil Jews....but if they would accept Israel, focus themselves in progress, we will see what they would get. Instead that, they voted for Hamas. 

Your are wrong, the problem here is that you can't understand what I'm saying, because you are so full of justice and nobility that you only can see your nobility and justice. Oh noble fighter! Oh pure soul! Fuck, if I were a girl I would fall in love. Oh che de Guevara, noble, noble, noble! 

Let me explain it simply, oh noble soul. We'll see if you understand. Muslims are people who absolutely believe in a medieval religion. For them, the essential thing is to go to paradise, and to do so they must obey the rules dictated by a warlord in the year 600. Their banner is victimhood; this is how they feel united and strong in their strange ideology, since without it they would realize the stupidity of their paradigm. They are purely emotional, not rational. Same than you. You have the feeling that West is bad and Palestinian are good, then you find the reasons to justify that. It's exactly the opposite way to reach conclusions. 

The Chinese call this "mental illness," and they try to cure it in reeducation camps, with considerable success. In the Middle East, these people have oil, the most valuable resource, and Israel was founded in the middle of it.

This causes problems because these people don't want to reason. They are like you: they need to feel noble, righteously indignant, full of righteous anger, pure, holy, fighters. Poor people, lifeless, without light, sad, dull. Like you.

But some of them just pretend believing this stupidity to make happy their people, they really want business and prosperity, that's why a hope is possible, little by little, until this mental virus dissapear , if the gods are generous. 

Where do you live? In a Muslim paradise like Bangladesh or siria, or in a horrible place enslaved by the satanic empire like Germany, Canada, Korea, Japan? Probably you think that the situation in the Muslim countries is bad due the west, and that the west is a rotten civilization. It use to happen to people who are losers in life. Thinking that way, they blame others for their lack of success. Just as ......the Muslims!!! Bingo!!!!!!

I asked Chat GPT to give an unbiased analysis of this conversation, asking regarding this reply: “in paragraph format explain how well they refuted the arguments made, your estimate of their understanding of the situation and intellectual maturity, and how seriously people should take what they say.”

Result:

The reply does very little to actually refute the arguments made earlier and instead relies almost entirely on insults, sweeping generalizations, and ideological assertions. Rather than addressing the factual corrections raised (for example, distinctions between Palestinian citizens of Israel and Palestinians under occupation, or the discussion of Uyghur rights and repression), the response shifts to broad claims about Muslims as inherently irrational, frames an entire religion as “medieval,” and portrays hundreds of millions of people as emotionally driven and incapable of reason. This kind of argument is not evidence-based and avoids engaging with the specific points raised against them. As a result, the response demonstrates a weak understanding of the political, historical, and legal complexities of the Israel-Palestine conflict and the situation of Uyghurs in China. The rhetorical style—heavy sarcasm, personal attacks, and civilizational stereotypes—suggests low intellectual maturity in the context of serious geopolitical discussion, because it prioritizes venting and identity signaling over factual debate. Consequently, readers should treat the claims cautiously and not consider them reliable analysis; the comment functions more as polemic or provocation than as a serious attempt to evaluate the issues being discussed.
 

So like I said, again. Ignoring points made because they debunked you, not understanding concepts or able to process things beyond stereotypes, deflecting to weird sarcasm and whining when you can’t address the point.

Edited yesterday at 09:10 AM by Raze

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, Raze said:

asked Chat GPT to give an unbiased analysis of this conversation

😂Chat gpt unbiased. You are great. Oh noble soul.

Chatgpt mimics the user's personality, or haven't you noticed yet? It always tells you what you want to listen. With that lack of analysis, how are you going to successfully carry out your justice maker duties against the America Satan? Seems difficult. 

 

Edited yesterday at 09:22 AM by Breakingthewall

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

😂Chat gpt unbiased. You are great. Oh noble soul. 

You were actually using it towards me before I did, you changed your tune because it can also quickly tear apart your nonsense. 

[Elliott]

14 hours ago, zazen said:

Think your right - this might be their only chance to degrade US presence in the region so their going for it.

Trump thought it would be a quick one and probably didn’t expect them to start hitting the gulf etc. They literally said they would.

Now he’s in a quagmire looking for off ramp to save face. Also - a lot of his rhetoric is to manipulate the market / oil prices to maintain stability in the system - obviously insider trading is a given lol

If it’s the end of the war then why the Airborne division or another carrier being sent..

 

Seems they want to end it but are preparing for all eventualities and Iran is like “no you don’t, I got you on the ropes, no I’m gonna throw some combos so I never feel threatened by you again” ie destroy the bases / radars / cause a wedge between the gulf and US/Israel - they’re angry for being dragged into the war by US/Israel.

I was meant to be flying to Dubai next week but postponed lol

This situation is a decent gauge on the cognitive development of the West, a ground invasion would be overwhelmingly opposed now-a-days. I think Iran would slaughter a lot of the Airborne, it would almost be like dropping into Russia or China, you're dead. Any General that approves that will probably go to prison.

 

Edited yesterday at 01:25 PM by Elliott

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, Elliott said:

This situation is a decent gauge on the cognitive development of the West, a ground invasion would be overwhelmingly opposed now-a-days. I think Iran would slaughter a lot of the Airborne, it would almost be like dropping into Russia or China, you're dead. Any General that approves that will probably go to prison.

Ground invasion is not an option imo, it would be a disaster. They already have the example of Russia invading Ukraine.

Anyway, If the regime doesn't fall, which seems unlikely, things are looking bad for Israel. We assume Israeli intelligence is, let's say, intelligent, that they're acting according to a plan, but if what they achieve with this is strengthening the Iranian regime, it's the first step toward the end of Israel. We'll see if they have an ace up their sleeve, or if their fate is utter humiliation.

If they lose, it's the complete end of the US as the military power in the world. The end.

Maybe it's not so bad, all countries are realizing that the equilibrium is too delicate and great conflicts are bad idea in all senses, and invasions are almost impossible. then maybe it's a definitive step for peace. But who knows.

25 minutes ago, Raze said:

You were actually using it towards me before I did, you changed your tune because it can also quickly tear apart your nonsense. 

I don't know what are you talking about, anyway , try to stop insulting. Oh noble. 

Edited yesterday at 09:48 AM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

It is not black or white as I just said in the previous post . I think the war will surely end soon. Israel and the US will say their objectives were more than fulfilled, that the regime is now much weaker, and that they have achieved a great victory. The Iranian regime will say it has achieved a total victory by resisting and that it has humiliated its enemies. I would say that Iran's claim is closer to reality than Israel's for now.

But be careful, perhaps Israel will achieve more after this war than it seems. Perhaps Iran will commit to not carrying out aggressive actions, such as financing terrorism, and will forget about Israel and America as Satan, and in time the regime will fall from inside. 

[Breakingthewall]

@Raze

A brief comment about the Uyghurs: let's see what your Chatgpt says. China's first conquest of Uyghur territory dates back to the mid-18th century, but the definitive incorporation occurred in 1949. At that time, practically the entire population were Turkic Muslims, but from 1954 onwards, a huge migration of Han Chinese to the area began, eventually making up 45% of the population, that now are 26 million, in a surface aprox 5 times bigger than Germany.

In their history, there have been multiple attempts at independence, the last in the 1990s, when there was a wave of attacks. Since then, the Chinese government has repressed any political dissent with an iron fist. Surveillance is total; it is not known exactly how many people were sent to re-education camps and how many died. Islam is completely suppressed; a watered-down version of Islam is permitted where Muslim names are prohibited, as is observing Ramadan in public, and wearing a beard. Mosques should have Chinese architecture, and Islam is considered something akin to a mental illness that will gradually disappear. What do you think about this? It's much better than the apartheid that is happening in Israel? Why?

Edited yesterday at 11:23 AM by Breakingthewall

[Raze]

23 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What do you think about this? It's much better than the apartheid that is happening in Israel? Why?

The main point was

- you keep saying it’s a “real genocide” to discount what is happening to Palestinians, even if it was worse that is still an irrelevant point, something worse doesn’t mean something else is not a problem. Comparing something to a different issue would only be relevant when there is greater culpability, ex. someone complains about war crimes of a country they don’t like while supporting or ignoring war crimes they can have an effect on. But no one here is in China and China is totalitarian so no one can effect this.

- you continued to justify Palestinian oppression because of their attacks on Israel and other dumber reasons like gay rights, sarcastically saying the Uyghurs didn’t do an Oct 8. As your own post shows and I already told you Uyghur militants carried out multiple terror attacks leading to the ramped up crack down.  
 

The secondary point was

- yes, that is better. China hasn’t killed or injured 10% of the population, induced man made starvation and block medicine from entering to force children to be amputated without anesthesia, China didn’t destroy desalination infrastructure to try and purposefully induced diseases, China didn’t pay religious extremists to steal their homes and lynch them. China is trying to forcefully assimilate them, israel does the opposite and tries to deindustralize them and ramp up pressure until they react as a pretext for violence.

[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, Raze said:

The main point was

- you keep saying it’s a “real genocide” to discount what is happening to Palestinians, even if it was worse that is still an irrelevant point, something worse doesn’t mean something else is not a problem. Comparing something to a different issue would only be relevant when there is greater culpability, ex. someone complains about war crimes of a country they don’t like while supporting or ignoring war crimes they can have an effect on. But no one here is in China and China is totalitarian so no one can effect this.

- you continued to justify Palestinian oppression because of their attacks on Israel and other dumber reasons like gay rights, sarcastically saying the Uyghurs didn’t do an Oct 8. As your own post shows and I already told you Uyghur militants carried out multiple terror attacks leading to the ramped up crack down.  
 

The secondary point was

- yes, that is better. China hasn’t killed or injured 10% of the population, induced man made starvation and block medicine from entering to force children to be amputated without anesthesia, China didn’t destroy desalination infrastructure to try and purposefully induced diseases, China didn’t pay religious extremists to steal their homes and lynch them. China is trying to forcefully assimilate them, israel does the opposite and tries to deindustralize them and ramp up pressure until they react as a pretext for violence.

So, is invading Uyghur territory, repopulating it with ethnic Chinese, and erasing the Uyghurs' historical Muslim identity in concentration camps, in addition to effectively banning Islam, legitimate? It must be, since Iran and other Muslim countries are allies of China and never mention this fact.

Instead, they are full of hatred toward Israel, which they believe must disappear because it is a murderous colonizer. Meanwhile, Chinese colonialism is considered good. Why? Really I can't understand the difference. 

[Hatfort]

46 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So, is invading Uyghur territory, repopulating it with ethnic Chinese, and erasing the Uyghurs' historical Muslim identity in concentration camps, in addition to effectively banning Islam, legitimate? It must be, since Iran and other Muslim countries are allies of China and never mention this fact.

Instead, they are full of hatred toward Israel, which they believe must disappear because it is a murderous colonizer. Meanwhile, Chinese colonialism is considered good. Why? Really I can't understand the difference. 

@Raze made the point that something else being bad somewhere else, would not mean that it wasn't bad in the first place. You're the one that doesn't think that what Israel is doing it's wrong, so your point is not valid for yourself first. You're just deviating the conversation and flooding the thread with an off topic debate, because when you stick to the real current and historical facts of the Middle East territory, you need to play ifs and imagines, because the truth doesn't suit you. The truth is Israel is the main violent actor of the region, and it's not even a native culture, it's an occupying settler colony of foreigners actually perpetrating a replacement ethnic cleansing campaign against the indigenous people using violence and genocide against them.

Edited yesterday at 12:45 PM by Hatfort

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Hatfort said:

@Raze made the point that something else being bad somewhere else, would not mean that it wasn't bad in the first place. You're the one that doesn't think that what Israel is doing it's wrong, so your point is not valid for yourself first. You're just deviating the conversation and flooding the thread with an off topic debate, because when you stick to the real current and historical facts of the Middle East territory, you need to play ifs and imagines, because the truth doesn't suit you. The truth is Israel is the main violent actor of the region, and it's not even a native culture, it's an occupying settler colony of foreigners actually perpetrating a replacement ethnic cleansing campaign against the indigenous people using violence and genocide against them.

 

Sure, sure, genocidal evil Jews, shit, they are so bad, evil people, we all are so emotional hating them, that's clear. but my question is another:

why the Iranians hate Israel and want their disappearance? Because they are bad with the Palestinian? So why the Iranians doesn't care about the Uyghurs, who are oppressed by the Chinese? Both, Palestinian and Uyghur are very far from their frontier and belong to another ethnicity. Then, why they are in excelent relationship with the Chinese and are mortal enemies of Israel? 

Try to answer without the emotional thing of the evil Jews that you hate so much, we already know that. Just a logical reasoning. 

[Hatfort]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, sure, genocidal evil Jews, shit, they are so bad, evil people, we all are so emotional hating them, that's clear. but my question is another:

why the Iranians hate Israel and want their disappearance? Because they are bad with the Palestinian? So why the Iranians doesn't care about the Uyghurs, who are oppressed by the Chinese? Both, Palestinian and Uyghur are very far from their frontier and belong to another ethnicity. Then, why they are in excelent relationship with the Chinese and are mortal enemies of Israel? 

Try to answer without the emotional thing of the evil Jews that you hate so much, we already know that. Just a logical reasoning. 

Sure they are committing a genocide and stealing the land of Palestine by murdering them, including Palestinian Christians, not only Palestinian Muslims. 

Iran does not need recognizing this injustice, like I wouldn't recognize it if a foreign settler colonial people came into my neighbor country to basically kill them all and take their place. It's not that hard to get Iran's position.

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Sure they are committing a genocide and stealing the land of Palestine by murdering them, including Palestinian Christians, not only Palestinian Muslims. 

Iran does not need recognizing this injustice, like I wouldn't recognize it if a foreign settler colonial people came into my neighbor country to basically kill them all and take their place. It's not that hard to get Iran's position.

Ok, but why it's a problem for Iran? Why one of the essential foundations of their state is the hatred of Israel, which is 2000 km from their borders? Because Israel mistreat the Palestinians? Maybe because are Muslims as them? But the Uyghur are also Muslims oppressed by no Muslims. Why that's irrelevant for the Iranians? Where is the difference? You didn't answer. 

What would happen if Iran says: ok, we recognize Israel. In fact we like Israel a lot and we want to do business together, same than with the Chinese. What would affect that to Iran? Do you really think that they can't take this position because they feel sad for the Palestinians? 

Really do you think that the Iranians are enemies of Israel because Israel is evil, and are friends of china because china is good? Think about it carefully. This narrative is, well...not real, to be kind.

Why don't to try to understand the real reasons of the matter, of the political dynamic in Middle east without the emotional thing? It's a scam

Edited yesterday at 12:56 PM by Breakingthewall