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[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, ArcticGong said:

Imagine if democracy was let to reign supreme in Iran instead of intervention to remove Mossadegh. The Islamic republic government model seems to be a survival response to its circumstances. Democracy was clearly not viable because of the foreign economic players interest. The monarchy was hated by its people. 

That was during the Cold War, when tensions were enormous. Mossadegh nationalized the oil that was being exploited by the British. This is utter stupidity. Regardless of the reasons, you can't outright defy a power that has invested in your country without consequence, in the midst of a Cold War between two empires, bordering the extremely aggressive Soviet empire. You have to negotiate and proceed step by step.

When Mossadegh was overthrown, the Shah had reigned for 26 years, and Iran was prosperous with social, if not political, freedoms. People did business, laughed, danced, and studied. Then the Islamic Revolution erupted, and the country was subjected to a theocracy where 16-year-old girls are hanged for being raped, and the supreme value is submission to a medieval religion. That's absolute craziness. Schizophrenia mandatory, for 47 years. 

[Hatfort]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Imagine Iran says: Hey, we've changed our minds. We recognize Israel and want to be their friends. Instead of funding Hamas and Hezbollah, let's dance together! Let's do business! Let's collaborate on science! Long live friendship! What would Israel answer? Now imagine it's Israel saying that to Iran. What would Iran reply?

I don't need to imagine anything, I just need to recognize the historical and current facts. Israel was created last century and has been murderously replacing the native inhabitants of that place called Palestine, ethnic cleansing. They didn't go to coexist, they went to replace them, and the last two years have been another ruthless chapter of that aim in Gaza and the West Bank. If that same thing was done in your land and your people, you would react against it like they did and do.

The current relevant facts regarding to Iran is that it agreed to not have nuclear weapons signed under an agreement with Obama, it complied it to the letter, Trump got out of it and sanctioned the country as much as he could, he cowardly murdered general Soleimani out of nowhere, Israel murdered Iranian generals in an embassy in Damascus, last year Israel murdered more leaders and scientist blowing whole residential blocks in the middle of negotiations, and days ago again in the middle of negotiations both Israel and the US started a war and killing their maximum political and spiritual leader, plus hundreds of other innocent victims like the little girls in that school, continuing by carpet bombing Tehran last days, and crucial infrastructures like desalinization plants, hospitals, more schools, residences, and the oil facilities. The patience and restraint showed by Iran is beyond comprehension, obviously until now. All US bases in the region are a target now, and so is Israel as well.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Israel was created last century and has been murderously replacing the native inhabitants of that place called Palestine, ethnic cleansing.

Shit you are right ,Israel is not noble, that's why the Iranians, guardians of goodness, hate them with justice.

Bad Israelis! I hope when those heroes of justice, the ayatollahs, finish with the evil Jews, they go for the bad Chinese fu man chu who's erasing Uyghur country from history, then, when they have punished the evil Chinese, they could go for the Turks, who are preventing the Kurds of having a nation, after that those heroes of light could finish the horrible war in congo, and then I don't know, make the incels have sex by law. Then their work is going to be done

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

last year Israel murdered more leaders and scientist blowing whole residential blocks in the middle of negotiations, and days ago again in the middle of negotiations both Israel and the US started a war and killing their maximum political and spiritual leader

Normal, if the Iranian could do that, or even totally destroy Israel , they would do. They don't do because they can't. His favorite chant is death to Israel and America Satan. What would you do with such people? Wait for the moment that they have enough weapons to attack you effectively? Why would you do that? It's suicidal.

I know that for you the evil Israel deserve destruction, but you would agree that Israelites could think different, maybe because they are evil or anything, but it's a fact: they don't think that they should be erased. 

[Hatfort]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Shit you are right ,Israel is not noble, that's why the Iranians, guardians of goodness, hate them with justice.

Bad Israelis! I hope when those heroes of justice, the ayatollahs, finish with the evil Jews, they go for the bad Chinese fu man chu who's erasing Uyghur country from history, then, when they have punished the evil Chinese, they could go for the Turks, who are preventing the Kurds of having a nation, after that those heroes of light could finish the horrible war in congo, and then I don't know, make the incels have sex by law. Then their work is going to be done

No, it's not noble, it's a genocidal colony committing a ruthless ethnic cleansing for decades. You would react against it like Palestinians do if that was done to your land and your people. Whether Iranians recognize and oppose this or not, the reality is that its still Israel and the US the ones directly attacking them over and over, they have no more cheeks to turn, and now they are fighting back.

[Nivsch]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Bad Israelis! I hope when those heroes of justice, the ayatollahs, finish with the evil Jews

Yeah. There are two opposing camps that are perfectly mirroring each other.

One camp see the Palestinians as the root of evil and as they were the reason for the war in 1948.

The second camp who claims that "Zionists" (Jews who wanted to establish their own safe space after centuries of persecutions. What is so bad in that? I still don't understand) are the root of all problems.

Both camps are just acting out their stage Blue shadow.

The reality is probably much closer to the Snowball model - mutual suspicion that started 150 years ago, got bigger and bigger until the peak in the war of 1948.

Edited 4 hours ago by Nivsch

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

No, it's not noble, it's a genocidal colony committing a ruthless ethnic cleansing for decades. You would react against it like Palestinians do if that was done to your land and your people. Whether Iranians recognize and oppose this or not, the reality is that its still Israel and the US the ones directly attacking them over and over, they have no more cheeks to turn, and now they are fighting back.

Man, if the Israelites where Muslim, if they would kill all the Palestinian one by one until no one left, nobody in the gulf would even move a finger to point it. Saddam gassed the Kurds, in Yemen 600 thousand died in 2 years, in sudan hell is happening. Why the Iranians are so worried about the Palestinian? Why they are friends of the Chinese who are destroying absolutely, methodically, the Uyghur nation, 30 millions, erasing absolutely it's identity? Don't you see the absurdity of your hate for the Jews? It's just a political identity that you bought emotionally and you can't release, you are colonized by this nonsense. But the good news is that you are not alone

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[Hatfort]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Man, if the Israelites where Muslim, if they would kill all the Palestinian one by one until no one left, nobody in the gulf would even move a finger to point it. Saddam gassed the Kurds, in Yemen 600 thousand died in 2 years, in sudan hell is happening. Why the Iranians are so worried about the Palestinian? Why they are friends of the Chinese who are destroying absolutely, methodically, the Uyghur nation erasing absolutely it's identity? Don't you see the absurdity of your hate for the Jews? It's just a political identity that you bought emotionally and you can't release, you are colonized by this nonsense. But the good news is that you are not alone

You can save your ifs for your fictional novels. The whos and the whats are that Palestine wasn't an empty land, and the current Israel is built over the mass graveyards and the dispossessed lands of the native inhabitants of that place for foreign colonizers, which they continue ethnic cleansing now both in Gaza and the West Bank.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Yeah. There are two opposing camps that are perfectly mirroring each other.

One camp see the Palestinians as the root of evil and as they were the reason for the war in 1948.

The second camp who claims that "Zionists" (Jews who wanted to establish their own safe space after centuries of persecutions. What is so bad in that? I stiil don't understand) are the root of all problems.

Both camps are just acting out their stage blue shadow.

The reality is probably much closer to the snowball model - mutual suspicion that started 150 years ago, got bigger and bigger until the peak in the war of 1948.

In the world, in those 100 years, hundreds of far worse tragedies have occurred. For example, the Armenian Genocide. Imagine if all Christian nations were absolutely obsessed with the Armenian Genocide and declared that Turkey should be wiped off the map, and in Congress they shouted: "Death to Turkey! Because it killed the Armenians!" Perhaps those people should be committed to a mental institution.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

You can save your ifs for your fictional novels. The whos and the whats are that Palestine wasn't an empty land, and the current Israel is built over the mass graveyards and the dispossessed lands of the native inhabitants of that place for foreign colonizers, which they continue ethnic cleansing now both in Gaza and the West Bank.

Sure sure, it's so horrible. And the Chinese colonized the Uyghur country, Muslim from 16 century, a great culture, sufi islam, and they destroy their identity, imprisoning millions in re education concentration camps, banning Ramadan in public, Islamic names and beards, humiliating their identity absolutely, suppressing any dissent with an iron fist.

On weekdays you could hate the evil Jews, and on weekends the satanic Chinese, right? Where is the difference? The Chinese would finish the Palestinian problem in one month. Final solution. Or do you think it's not true?

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[Hatfort]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure sure, it's so horrible.

Yeah.

[Nivsch]

13 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

and the current Israel is built over the mass graveyards and the dispossessed lands of the native inhabitants of that place for foreign colonizers,

Built over a war of two sides who claim ownership on the land. Not on one "bad" side and one "good" side. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Nivsch

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Yeah.

I think you're realizing the scam. It's so obvious. 

[Hatfort]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

I think you're realizing the scam. It's so obvious. 

No, you don't think that.

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

No, you don't think that.

Why no Muslim is complaining about the Uyghur genocide. Because this is a real genocide. They are erasing a nation, according to a methodical plan, to erase the islam in 3 generations. Could you imagine that any western country do that? 

Answer: because Muslim doesn't care about them, neither the Palestinians, they care about their identity, thats based in victimhood, and with that tool (Israel), they are getting the legitimacy they need to unite their people under their absurd medieval religion. And you have bought their scam. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Elliott]

 

https://www.cnbc.com

Trump tells CBS that Iran 'war is very complete'

3 hours ago — President Donald Trump on Monday told a CBS News reporter that the war against Iran could be over soon. · "I think the war is very complete, 

 

 

I think the u.s. is low on supplies. But Iran might hold out to finally destroy Israel, if they have the missiles and drones anyway.

Edited 4 hours ago by Elliott

[Hatfort]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why no Muslim is complaining about the Uyghur genocide. Because this is a real genocide. They are erasing a nation, according to a methodical plan, to erase the islam in 3 generations. Could you imagine that any western county do that? 

Answer: because Muslim doesn't care about them, neither the Palestinians, they care about their identity, thats based in victimhood, and with that tool (Israel), they are getting the legitimacy they need to unite their people under their absurd medieval religion. And you have bought their scam. 

I don't need to imagine anything, I just need to recognize current and historical facts in the Middle East, which have no comparison with nowhere else in the world right now. The closer historical similarities would be the ethnic cleansing campaigns in America and Oceania few centuries ago, total extermination genocides. 

Iran is rightfully opposing it. If an ethnic group of foreigners were ethnically cleansing a neighboring country of mine, I would oppose to that too in solidarity at the very least.

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Built over a war of two sides who claim ownership on the land. Not on one "bad" side and one "good" side. 

Israel is the only county in middle east where a gay could be gay without being killed. Crazy right? If you are gay, they kill you. Maybe your father or your brothers are who kill you. Wtf right? What do you think, it's good or bad killing your son because he's gay, or your daughter because she doesn't marry with who you order? Killing your daughter...seems good? I think it's "bad"

Edited 3 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[zazen]

12 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I think the u.s. is low on supplies. But Iran might hold out to finally destroy Israel, if they have the missiles and drones anyway.

 

Think your right - this might be their only chance to degrade US presence in the region so their going for it.

Trump thought it would be a quick one and probably didn’t expect them to start hitting the gulf etc. They literally said they would.

Now he’s in a quagmire looking for off ramp to save face. Also - a lot of his rhetoric is to manipulate the market / oil prices to maintain stability in the system - obviously insider trading is a given lol

If it’s the end of the war then why the Airborne division or another carrier being sent..

 

Seems they want to end it but are preparing for all eventualities and Iran is like “no you don’t, I got you on the ropes, no I’m gonna throw some combos so I never feel threatened by you again” ie destroy the bases / radars / cause a wedge between the gulf and US/Israel - they’re angry for being dragged into the war by US/Israel.

I was meant to be flying to Dubai next week but postponed lol

Edited 3 hours ago by zazen

[Nivsch]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Israel is the only county in middle east where a gay could be gay without being killed. Crazy right? If you are gay, they kill you. Maybe your father or your brothers are who kill you. Wtf right? What do you think, it's good or bad killing your son because he's gay, or your daughter because she doesn't marry with who you order? Killing your daughter...seems good? I think it's "bad"

Of course good and bad things exist in the details. What I meant is that non of the sides is the source of the problem but the dynamics between them.

Edited 3 hours ago by Nivsch