Why people dont understand Islam and why it is a book of the Angels

[kavaris]

Yousll have to tell me what yous think of him (or point me to the thread bout him if yous have already tlked bout him before) cause i feel like, hey, atleast he is goin for peace or he seems to have a goal towards it~Though thats why i ask what others think of him, as im not an expert or anything on Islam or this side of religion.

I know history of course, but do i know bout like, religion as it would pertain to Islam and these freedom fighters? I dont believe so—Or Rather—Like, i have a very limited window into it, in other words.

*p.s see my post before this one on madhi*

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[kavaris]

Or maybe i should ask, do you take his interpretations to be a bit outlandish? Or, do they corroborate somewhat of the truth of islam and these things, as i dont know.. Like... Am i watching the wrong person to learn about Islam and what the perspectives are around it? I dont know

i can say ive watched up to so far where hes explained the two different kinds of islam and stuff, so im atleast in on that whole story.

If theres more to it, that which is told by someone else, its likely that i dont or havent heard of him or what ever this other perspective is, if such a thing exists, which im sure there is, but like, i have a limited window into these sorts of things.

p.s. i also find him interesting, meaning Madhi or watever his real name is, as im interested in Egypt and learning bout like, whats goin on there, as ive talked to real ppl before from various regions of the middle east, persia, israel, algeria, libya, etc., but i forget if/when i talked to someone from egypt. nevertheless im intetested in hearing bout islam, and their relationship/history to egypt.

p.s.s., ive had a couple friends from Israel, though they had like, traumatic exp., like they didnt tell me about it, but they had just told me they were involved in some of the wars over there or something, meaning in Israel or places around it or something. But like i said, they didnt want to elaborate on anything more than that, so i didnt really ask them anything about it. Like, as "men" we dont normally ask each other things that are like, super-close or super family related stuff, like we are more like "wanna see this cool thing" and rarely do we say "hey hows your family, hows your parents", like maybe people from other countries go through that whole shpeel, but i dont think we do this in America, as we are a land of Traditionless children. Or maybe thats just me, iuno.

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[Schahin]

11 minutes ago, kavaris said:

Or maybe i should ask, do you take his interpretations to be a bit outlandish? Or, do they corroborate somewhat of the truth of islam and these things, as i dont know.. Like... Am i watching the wrong person to learn about Islam and what the perspectives are around it? I dont know

i can say ive watched up to so far where hes explained the two different kinds of islam and stuff, so im atleast in on that whole story.

If theres more to it, that which is told by someone else, its likely that i dont or havent heard of him or what ever this other perspective is, if such a thing exists, which im sure there is, but like, i have a limited window into these sorts of things.

p.s. i also find him interesting, meaning Madhi or watever his real name is, as im interested in Egypt and learning bout like, whats goin on there, as ive talked to real ppl before from various regions of the middle east, persia, israel, algeria, libya, etc., but i forget if/when i talked to someone from egypt. nevertheless im intetested in hearing bout islam, and their relationship/history to egypt

 

 

I dont really know. 

I like the Sufi Path, the mystical path of Islam and not the obsessive take everything literal part of a 1400 year old book that was created in violent and barbaric times in order to bring justice and a revolution to that society.

My favourite poet Sufi Poet are Hafiz and Rumi, there are Sufic Groups where you can participate and be initiated and they get into a trance like extasy state through dance and singing.

In that state they manage to put swords through their head without anything happening to them, so there must be a truth to it. 

But reading Hafiz the great Iranian Poet, who was a Sufi himself, you will see that he didnt care at all about the literal take of the book, he was interested in the mystical sides of it, being a regular winedrinker and having spent a lot of his time in bars drinking alcohol

[kavaris]

2 minutes ago, Schahin said:

"I like the Sufi Path, the mystical path of Islam... etc., ... reading Hafiz the great Iranian Poet, who was a Sufi himself..."

Ooooh. Okay so yous are on to "Sufi-ism". Gotchya. I like the Sufi's, though admittedly, its been somewhat neglected in my studies, as ive looked at some many groups, Sufi's, Manichaeans, Chaldeans, Zoroastrians... and various other Islamic, gnostic and jewish and/or esoteric groups, and i seem to have let the Sufiism stuff fall through the cracks. Though now that youve brought it up i might give it another look.

[kavaris]

@Schahin
I should also tell yas why i like the middle east languages too, as im genuinely interested in it beyond just the surface level, but also , the deep dirty level of the language and writing: And thats cause i find myself very interested in the Old, Ancient Assyrian/Syriac/New Aramaic or whatever they call it -languages, and that whole branch, like... And its relationship to Egyptian language. As im real into writing systems, as yous might know by now.

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[Someone here]

13 minutes ago, Schahin said:

I like the Sufi Path, the mystical path of Islam and not the obsessive take everything literal part of a 1400 year old book that was created in violent and barbaric times in order to bring justice and a revolution to that society.

i think anyone who's at least stage green understands this . Makes me wonder whats the the point of this whole discussion here ? Because that's the whole shtick with the Breakingthewall guy.. Because Sufis are actually considered heretics and atheists by most of the Islamic scholars..islamic sects ..and even Muslim people.

Mainstream Islam says the Quran is the final literal word of the exclusive one and only creator of this universe. there is no dancing around this core theological belief in Mainstream Islam. If you change a single word in that statement and replace it with Sufi fluff you are immediately an apostate and you gonna be killed in countries like Afghanistan for example ...not to mention eternal fire in the after life . Likewise for accepting all the moral commands in the quran like cutting the hands of theivs..stoning a woman to death if she had sex without marriage. Dude wake up .

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[kavaris]

Hey, im not sure how the thread started, but im interested. Like Im interested in Islam atleast. As i see how theres two sides to the story. Im also interested in what anyone else whos interested, what they see in it, or, what they feel is to be appreciated, as i can see theres some emotional thing goin on here.

[kavaris]

Or if yous mean, its like a roadblock as far as the eye can see, as in "its either too dull nd boring, and/or its literally uncontestable — and in either way we should move one..." typeve thing. im fine w that as well.

[Someone here]

@kavaris islam: Allah just there since forever. He created humans to worship him cuz his bored. If you worship you get sex and alcohol..forever. if you don't worship you get your ass fried..forever. 

[Ramasta9]

There is Truth in every book, but not a single book contains the whole Truth. Many are far from it.

The only book i say is closest to the Truth or True nature is Lao Tzu's - Tao Te Ching.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Schahin said:

Marrying young girls was common all over the World not even in Arabia. It was common in Europe, in the Roman Empire

Young girls like 14, no kids like 9. Julius Caesar or even Genghis Khan, a great fucker, didn't have sex with kids, they had with young girls, no kids. 9 is a kid, Aisha played with puppets , it's written. 

1 hour ago, Schahin said:

We dont want it today because we have a different perspective on such things. But it was extremely common all over the world, dont take that as an argument.

No, it wasn't. Having sex with 9 years old kids wasn't common, it's something special. Btw, in Irak the Parliament approved a law that allows marriages with 9 years old girls , in 2025. They do because Muhammad did, and Muhammad is perfect according islam, then if he did, it's good

1 hour ago, Schahin said:

the Bhagavad Ghita Ajurna (not Krishna) advocates for the Caste System, a system of degrading people and treating them as cockroaches,

Then as he said that, it's good to do it? The Aztecs ripped hearts to avoid the sun devour earth, and that doesn't mean that we should do it now.

1 hour ago, Schahin said:

am talking about Islam being a revolution in barbaric and violent times

Agree, in that time was progress, nowadays is regression 

1 hour ago, Schahin said:

And I am not emotional, its because of people like you, that those atrocities  of the Genocide could have happened in the first place. You advocated the Genocide very clearly, its all written down here in the Forum.

I never did that. What I said is that if you put yourself in the Israeli mind,and you are surrounded of enemies who wants your destruction, and they do the massacre of October, you have to answer very strongly or disappear. If I were Israeli, I would emigrate and never return to that place of hate. But you can't assume that all the israelíes will do the same, you have to understand that some will choose to fight 

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[kavaris]

Like what i wanna ask now is, are yous just tryina be silly, or are yous talkin bout somethin real, cause if yous got somethin real to say, yous gotta say it quick, cause im not a person who sticks around for long. My appearance cannot be taken for granted.

[Breakingthewall]

Anyway,.islam has great mystics. The best in my opinion is al hallah, I am the truth. True, he was tortured and  executed by the Muslims, but same time they kept his words without apparently distortion. Christianity after Saint Augustine wouldn't have done it; they would have erased the words of a heretic.

Christianity, after the Council of Hippo, became the most terrifying system of thought in history, when they include original sin and eternal hell.

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[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, kavaris said:

Like what i wanna ask now is, are yous just tryina be silly, or are yous talkin bout somethin real

I'm doing both . If I put it in a clean neat language there is this thing called Allah sitting on a throne In the heavens .he was never born nor will ever die ..and has all the characteristics of any God in all of humanity's religions and mythologies.  He created the universe and this earth and humans specially to worship him. Nothing else .worship through the Islam prayer which similar to Jewish prayer 5 times a day you bow down and glorify him since adolescence till last breath of your life .After you die he either takes you to eternal heaven which is a place for hedonistic desires or to hell which is a place for eternal punishment by burning in fire . 

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[kavaris]

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