Is Understanding Consciousness Considered a Developable Skill?

[Yimpa]

6 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Just toss it and go after what's true, not believed.

On 2/20/2026 at 1:12 PM, Yimpa said:

Do your models of reality suck?

Good!

 

[No1Here2c]

Look at how muddy we've made the water now.

[No1Here2c]

We've stirred up the pot.

[No1Here2c]

7 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

@UnbornTao

How do you determine what is True in a Reality of Consciousness?

Perhaps by exploration of various States?

Is that which is True what remains after all states have been exhausted?

What is it that remains after one has exceeded the ability to maintain sanity or mental stability?

[No1Here2c]

Frightening question indeed.

[Ziran]

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

The list goes on but ive been up all night and now all day too.

maybe take a break from this?

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

I dont need to explain myself to anyone 

no, you don't

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

@Ziran thanks for the grammatical correction. 

it wasn't grammatical.  the two aren't mutually exclusive.

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

It is most definitely an "or" not an "and"

because?  are you sure? if so, why so confident?

You certainly don't need to explain, but, I'll appreciate your reply if you choose to give it.

[Ziran]

8 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

What is it that remains after one has exceeded the ability to maintain sanity or mental stability?

chaos-and-void

[UnbornTao]

21 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

@UnbornTao

How do you determine what is True in a Reality of Consciousness?

Perhaps by exploration of various States?

Is that which is True what remains after all states have been exhausted?

Breathe, and look into it. Start with your own experience. You could even begin by asking yourself what questioning is.

But hey, go get some sleep first. You'll feel better afterward.

[UnbornTao]

18 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

What is it that remains after one has exceeded the ability to maintain sanity or mental stability?

I'd avoid confusing consciousness with a breakdown; the latter is a function of the mind, not of the truth. So drop that insanity nonsense, too.

You might find Ramana Maharshi's teachings useful, even if just for intellectual stimulation and inspiration. Besides, the guy was sane as fuck.   

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

We've stirred up the pot.

 

[No1Here2c]

@Ziran

6 hours ago, Ziran said:

It wasn't grammatical.  the two aren't mutually exclusive.

because?  are you sure? if so, why so confident?

You certainly don't need to explain, but, I'll appreciate your reply if you choose to give it.

Yeah grammar isnt the right term there should I choose to alter the wording. Though I have no better terminology to apply on that case.

You see, to me, it appears to be a grammatical (the best word i know to describe this) error. I'll try and explain:

I claim that "or" is the proper use, but there does require a question mark after the word improved, and some adjustments to the introduction to the two separate questions which I use "or" to split.

The "or" is not made to differentiate two mutually exclusive occurences but rather to increase differentiation between the two questions themselves. Maybe it would have better been written in a less restricted format.

Something like this:

On 2/20/2026 at 8:20 PM, No1Here2c said:

I feel this is an Important question to ask in regards to this work.

Is Understanding of Consciousness a Skill that can be improved?

Or, we ask:

Are you simply born into a single state and that is where you remain?

Perhaps this better expresses the meaning with which I intended to convey using the clumsy tool of english lettering and words. 

Also consider, that this clumsy tool of language, much like a primitive club, is being utilized in an even clumsier way, by what at the time was & still would be considered, a sleep deprived and overworked mind.

Edited 20 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

11 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

I'd avoid confusing consciousness with a breakdown; the latter is a function of the mind, not of the truth. So drop that insanity nonsense, too  

@UnbornTao

I argue that sanity is nothing more than a particularly narrow instance of Consciousnesses Absolute Insanity. 

Consciousness is the foundation of Reality. The human mind, and its attempts to maintain order, is an arisal of Consciousness. Consciousness is Dreaming this World into Being. Insanity is not a Function of the human mind but much rather like an Absolute function of Universal Mind.

Hence why they call Insanity "losing ones mind". As it is not a function of such. It is what remains after it is gone.

Consciousness is inherently Mysterious. Perhaps, some would consider, Immutably Insane. I would claim Consciousness itself is Inherently extremely Irrational and Insane, even if presented with the guise of rationality and sanity. 

This is by Design. I know someone who likes to say "a feature not a bug."

Edited 14 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

Thoughts on this claim @Leo Gura ?

Perhaps ive got it all wrong. but this is my best explanation from my current state of consciousness.

Maybe it is just that. A delusional explanation which holds no Truth in Reality.

Although I really do feel to be bound by State of Consciousness.

Maybe Consciousness is in fact Absolute Sanity?

Perhaps what i see to be the Chaos and Insanity of Consciousness are like pictures on the inside of my skull through which I cannot see passed.

A thick fog or smog. Perhaps due to chemical imbalance, perhaps to the physical damage of the brain or some other element which assumes that my consciousness is dependent upon such a physical mechanism.

Maybe all I can really claim is that I am utterly perplexed and I dont know anything at all. All these words which appear to be pointers toward some sort of "Truth" are actually pointing at each other. Much like the Recycling emblem ♻️.

maybe

Just maybe...

Edited 12 hours ago by No1Here2c

[UnbornTao]

@No1Here2c Those are ideas, intriguing ones perhaps, but ideas nevertheless. I'd focus on removing beliefs rather than on piling up more so-called knowledge. Just be real with yourself, and move in that direction. 

I think it'd also be useful to get increasingly clear on the difference between mind activity (such as holding an opinion) and objective reality, or what's actually going on. This is key.

[Ziran]

18 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

I feel this is an Important question to ask in regards to this work.

Is Understanding of Consciousness a Skill that can be improved?

Or, we ask:

Are you simply born into a single state and that is where you remain?

A seed falls on the ground.  It's covered with dust and debris.  It's moistened and germinates.  It sprouts.  Pushing down and up, it roots into the ground and develops into a tree.

Within the life-cycle of the tree, the ground-state is where it remains while it is improving.  The state in which one is born is the beginning where an individual is being rooted.  This rooting event is eternal.  Going back to the analogy of the tree, each and every moment of the tree's life-cycle is depending on and emerging from the ground-state.   

[Ziran]

18 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

Maybe Consciousness is in fact Absolute Sanity?

Clarity is absolute sanity.