How big was the PUA movement at its peak? How does it compare current gen looksmaxxin

[UpperMaster]

I am a Gen Zer, so I was just a kid when RSD and Mystery were popular. 

How big was PUA movement at its peak? PUA seemed to become very mainstream, with Mystery going on talk shows etc. 

How does it compare with today's looksmaxxing in terms of popularity? I mean, clavicular etc have become mad popular, everyone seems to be focusing on looks optimization now. 

Also, if PUA was last gen solution to dating and looksmaxxing is current gem solution to dating, what do you think will be the trend 15 years from now? 

 

I thought this would be an interesting thread to start..

[LordFall]

Was pretty huge, they had events in most major cities yearly. I met RSD Madison and RSD Alex when he was still part of them. The Game by Neil Strauss was a new york times best seller for a couple months.

Very interesting to think of dating in 15 years. I think it'll have completely changed from today. AI dating will be common and if you want a real girlfriend/boyfriend the AI will coach you on how to do it. 

Hard to say where the average person will be economically. 2041 is peak AI automation timeline so I assume by then the average person will be on some kind of AI UBI and get food and shelter covered by the government and perhaps that'll help the average person stop stressing and date more. 

[UpperMaster]

13 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Was pretty huge, they had events in most major cities yearly. I met RSD Madison and RSD Alex when he was still part of them. The Game by Neil Strauss was a new york times best seller for a couple months.

Very interesting to think of dating in 15 years. I think it'll have completely changed from today. AI dating will be common and if you want a real girlfriend/boyfriend the AI will coach you on how to do it. 

Hard to say where the average person will be economically. 2041 is peak AI automation timeline so I assume by then the average person will be on some kind of AI UBI and get food and shelter covered by the government and perhaps that'll help the average person stop stressing and date more. 

 

Damn best seller. So pick-up was super duper mainstream. Okay, that puts things into perspective. Like now it makes sense why looksmaxxing and blackpill became popular, it's like a rise of just another paradigm in the dating world. Before it was repill and pua, now its blackpill and looksmaxxing.  

 

Like it just mind blowing to be that these PUA guys have such different approach to the problem. And such a different way of view the world. 

Just the fact that if one came to the dating scene 15 years ago, they might have blamed a lot of my results on me just not being charasmatic and alpha enough. Now people more blame their looks. 

idk why its mind-blowing to me.

[LordFall]

Most humans have massive mental blocks stopping them from their goals, it's not really a thing out there stopping them. Also be careful with dating it's a very complex web of identity meaning that a lot of guys don't actually crave a woman they crave that feeling of being good enough inside. 

Right now we are facing a decentralization of dating(and work too) so it becomes a free for all of different ideologies. Idk how popular the blackpill thing is I don't follow it but I've seen clavicular pop up. The other big camp is the tradcon trashing everything every new trend in society and saying we gotta back to the way things are.

Individually as a single person your dating options have never been better for you. There's a greater cost of entry to getting a relationship but you can now date any kind of woman on earth or many of them if you'd like. 

What personal issues are you facing yourself in that area? 

[something_else]

Pickup and looksmaxxing are like fashion trends.

Skinny jeans, baggy jeans, quiet luxury, streetwear etc. each of these trends have elements that work. But the people who dive headfirst into every new wave and build their entire identity around it don't usually look stylish or cool, they just look like tryhards.

The same thing happens in dating. There are useful ideas in trends like pickup and looksmaxxing, but the people who make these frameworks their whole personality usually come off as forced, tryhard, and honestly just a bit soulless and hollow.

Women are attracted to men who are comfortable with expressing who they are, who have a palpable coolness/vibe, and who don't really give a fuck what other people think about said vibe.

[Elliott]

PUA was not the generational solution to dating, we just dated normally, we dated people we met socially, our friends set us up with people. I'm a younger millennial and had to just now look up what RSD stands for. PUA was considered to be for losers.

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[LordFall]

4 hours ago, Elliott said:

PUA was not the generational solution to dating, we just dated normally, we dated people we met socially, our friends set us up with people. I'm a younger millennial and had to just now look up what RSD stands for. PUA was considered to be for losers.

Your perspective shallow, uninformed and judgemental. The whole start of the pickup community was for people who didn't manage to date normally. Part of that was uncalibrated nerdy people, of which I was proudly a part of, but a lot of it are what are "non losers" to use your words like divorced men or people that were indoctrinated into religion and fell out if it and had to learn to date normally. 

Also to use your paradigm, I would personally call a lot of those regular couples that you call the norm to be mediocre/toxic/low quality relationships. Not all of course but a lot of times these high school/college relationships happen by convenience and default state and are not fundamentally highly compatible relationships between people who have worked on their flaws and communication skills/traumas. I know a lot of these people and I would shoot myself before trading lives with them lol.

I run a few different types of in person communities both for pickup stuff and for "regular folks" like creatives group, business and investing masterminds and have been exposed to way more people and couples than an average person. If you think the average couple and person that hasn't done pickup has a phenomenal relationship, I have a bridge to sell you. 

[Elliott]

16 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Your perspective shallow, uninformed and judgemental. The whole start of the pickup community was for people who didn't manage to date normally.

I Think an offshoot turned into that. It started as guys just trying to have sex, and mostly still is, even the guys on here, sure they want a girlfriend, but pickup is primarily about sex for them.

16 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Part of that was uncalibrated nerdy people, of which I was proudly a part of, but a lot of it are what are "non losers" to use your words like divorced men or people that were indoctrinated into religion and fell out if it and had to learn to date normally. 

That's the conventional albeit malicious, meaning of loser. I apologize for using the term, it's just the most accurate in colloquial language.

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Also to use your paradigm, I would personally call a lot of those regular couples that you call the norm to be mediocre/toxic/low quality relationships. Not all of course but a lot of times these high school/college relationships happen by convenience and default state and are not fundamentally highly compatible relationships between people who have worked on their flaws and communication skills/traumas. I know a lot of these people and I would shoot myself before trading lives with them lol.

I meet people as an adult, socializing.

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I run a few different types of in person communities both for pickup stuff and for "regular folks" like creatives group, business and investing masterminds and have been exposed to way more people and couples than an average person. If you think the average couple and person that hasn't done pickup has a phenomenal relationship, I have a bridge to sell you. 

I don't. You're jumping to wild conclusions over a narrow and concise statement, seemingly to overcompensate for your hidden beliefs on the subject.