I sold my soul to the devil

[thierry]

42 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

44 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

Your narrative reminds me of the beautiful film Barry Lyndon in which the protagonist, who is lied to and cheated, becomes a liar and a cheat himself to beat them…

On the subject of films, the part of your post where you describe how the Devil speaks to you when you feel wounded and betrayed reminds me of the recent Robert Egger’s film Nosferatu, in which the female protagonist summons a dark and evil ancient spirit to cope with her loneliness and isolation:

The good news is that, from an esoteric point of view, a deal with the devil can be a path to the True Self as absolute nothingness. Some quotes from a book I have been reading recently, Dark Enlightenment: The Apotheosis of the Self by Jack Fox-Williams:

I liked your post, especially the part about not giving up on the heroic quest. This also reminds me of Wagner’s Parsifal…

 

 

 

owh nice ! I'll definitely watch those movies ! Thanks

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As we have seen, the devil is etymologically associated with the word double, a reference to man's “double-nature” or “hidden self”, beyond the limitations of the mundane ego. As Kenneth Grant observes, Satan (or Set-Anubis) is linked to Shiva, the Great Destroyer, insofar that he destroys our false desires, worldly attachments, egotistical inflations, narcissistic attitudes, and complacent identities, revealing the noumenal source behind appearances. According to Grant, it is ironic that Satan is associated with moral evil, particularly greed, gluttony, egotism, and excess, because he brings death to the ego, revealing the inner light. According to Hillman, to endure the dark night of the soul means "the sacrifice of the mind's bright eye” and a "loss of what we have long considered to be our most precious human holding: Apollonian consciousness.” However, it is only by retreating into the darkness that we discover the True Self since this Self is, ironically, nothingness.

Selling one’s soul to the devil therefore symbolises one’s absolute commitment to the initiatory path and the calling of the Higher Self. Your True Will is to ascend into the Three Negative Veils of Existence and discover your essential spiritual nature, beyond the limitations of the mundane ego. The “diabolical pact” is often signed in blood, symbolizing the adept who spilled their blood (i.e. their false desires) into the Cup of Babylon. The pact is one's utter devotion to the Great Work, no matter how painful and difficult, so they can spiritually evolve."

That's interesting. I don't think I understood everything though. How does the devil brings death to the ego?  I think the devil here is seen more as the spirit that makes human suffer to get closer to God? Kind of?

[James123]

4 hours ago, thierry said:

I sold my soul to the devil.

 

I ended up selling my soul to the devil.

It disgusts me, but it’s the truth, and I accept it.

 

I take shortcuts. I lie when I need to.

That’s it. I’ve crossed over to the other side.

 

And yet, when I was a child, I had a dream.

I wanted to be a hero. Not a spectacular hero, not a fictional hero, but a real one. Someone capable of renouncing his desires, of sacrificing himself, of serving something greater than himself.

I watched superhero movies with this almost naïve certainty: in this life, nothing prevents you from becoming that kind of person. Nothing prevents you from making the hero real.

 

I thought it was possible.

But I failed.

 

I sold my soul to the devil.

 

The trap I fell into wasn’t the temptation of power or money.

It was the feeling of injustice.

 

It’s that moment when you realize others allow themselves everything.

They lie, manipulate, cheat, crush… and they move forward.

And you hesitate. You want to stay upright. You want to stay honorable.

But you can see that the world doesn’t necessarily reward that.

 

So a fear settles in.

 

The fear of competing with someone who has no limits.

The fear that he’ll surpass you precisely because he allowed himself what you forbade yourself.

The fear of losing not because you’re less capable, but because you’re more scrupulous.

 

And that’s when something shifts.

 

You don’t sell your soul out of a taste for evil.

You sell it so you won’t be defenseless.

You sell it so you won’t fight by rules the other person refuses.

You sell it to make sure you can stand on equal ground.

 

You tell yourself:

If I stay upright and he doesn’t, he’ll destroy me.

So I allow myself what I once refused.

 

And that’s how you cross the line.

 

I think that’s the devil’s real trap:

he doesn’t just push you toward wrongdoing,

he speaks to you when you’re wounded, when you’ve been betrayed, when the selfishness of others has left marks on your body or your mind while you were trying to be fair.

 

He tells you that you have no choice.

He tells you it’s necessary.

He tells you it’s for survival.

 

And the worst part is, those reasons sound true.

 

I know they’re only excuses.

And I understand now that all the devils in the world have their excuses.

Everyone can tell their story, their wounds, their constraints.

Everyone can explain why they did what they did.

But in the end, the truth remains simple.

 

I sold my soul to the devil. Period.

 

And yet, despite that, I still have one wish left.

 

If somewhere there’s a young person who still dreams of becoming a hero in this life,

I want to tell them not to give up.

 

On that path, they will often feel like they’re doing fifteen times more than everyone else.

They’ll feel that their altruism, their renunciation, their inner “emptiness” leave enormous space for the selfishness of others.

They’ll feel like everyone else takes, and that for them, there’s only a very narrow space left, almost none at all.

 

That’s normal.

 

That’s what the hero’s path feels like.

They just have to hold on.

 

They should remember that if they hold on, they’re accomplishing something very few people manage to do.

And that, in the end, being a hero may be nothing more than this:

living without ever selling your soul to the devil.

 

It sounds simple.

But in practice, it’s probably the hardest thing there is.

 

It is not a very complicated to sell the soul to devil. Trying to be on control or the claimer/owner is enough.

[Ziran]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

a Pedophile guy sees a child ..brain signals send orders to his body to move and go rape that child .  Its called Casual Determinism. "Wrong " is NOT found In The casual chain. 

In the causal chain above, as written?  I agree there's nothing wrong with the arousal.  

13 minutes ago, Someone here said:

wrong means this thing should not happen . So unfortunately it did happen. Its a fact .how could something "wrong " even exist ?

That's a bit different, but, in general it's modal logic.  In particular, if harm is caused, the perpetrator of "what shouldn't have happened, but unfortunately did" would be liable for negligence.  

 

[thierry]

42 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 

Is it objectively wrong to have sex with children or sell your "soul " to the "devil"? 

Nothing is objectively wrong. Having sex with children is objectively extremely selfish.

44 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 

Don't you define evil as bad things happening to you ? Is bad objective? Obviously not .then evil is just created by your judgement. Do you agree ?

I did not speak about "evil"

[Someone here]

Just now, thierry said:

Nothing is objectively wrong

Thanks.  Thats my point .it arrived. Figure out the implications of this on your own.

[Ziran]

2 minutes ago, thierry said:

Nothing is objectively wrong

... a bold assertion.

[thierry]

52 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Lying and cheating doesn't feel good.

depends on which level of your being you're referring to haha

[Oeaohoo]

18 minutes ago, thierry said:

That's interesting. I don't think I understood everything though. How does the devil brings death to the ego?  I think the devil here is seen more as the spirit that makes human suffer to get closer to God? Kind of?

Exactly, the author is trying to argue that working with dark, destructive and demonic forces can create a “dark night of the soul” which purges the ego of its attachment to ideals and abstractions as well as base desires.

I'm not sure that I agree with this, by the way, especially as a practice. However, if one has already made a deal with the devil, it could be useful to consider how this might be reframed as still part of an overarching spiritual trajectory…

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Oeaohoo said:

Well, in Barry Lyndon, it does feel good until he has to reap all of the bad karma that he has accumulated… I agree though, lying and cheating rot the soul. Like the Faust story, it is trading the ephemeral for the eternal.

When your awareness stretches farther than the next immediate impulse, you immediately feel the consequences of lying. It also creates a split in the mind between what is true and what is lie, and it creates a poisonous environment. It's like you create a cancerous tumor that starts metastatizing and spreads. The organism, the whole, is truth. When you create something separate from the organism, untruth, it competes and eventually devours it.

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard

[Oeaohoo]

14 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

When your awareness stretches farther than the next immediate impulse, you immediately feel the consequences of lying. It also creates a split in the mind between what is true and what is lie, and it creates a poisonous environment. It's like you create a cancerous tumor that starts metastatizing and spreads. The organism, the whole, is truth. When you create something separate from the organism, untruth, it competes and eventually devours it.

Until eventually you end up like this:

Crede experto!