What's the Difference Between Consciousness and Intelligence?

[LastThursday]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Many things are both infinite and limited. In fact, all infinities are limited. Numbers, for example, are infinite, but they are limited to not being letters. And so it is with everything.

I agree but you're confusing limitations (aka boundaries). Counting numbers are infinite, because there is always a next number (i.e. no limit). But they are infinite only with respect to that lack of limit. Counting numbers are not letters, so they are not infinite in that sense, they are a category of 1, i.e. Counting Numbers. So the infinity is always with respect to some criterion.

For another example a circle is both finite and infinite. If you mark a point on the circle then walk your way around it, it is finite in distance, when you hit that point again. But the number of times you could walk around the circle is unlimited, so it is infinite in that sense (trig functions rely on that sense of infinity).

However, we're not talking about ordinary infinities here, but absolute infinities, which by their nature are unlimited in every aspect. Consciousness is supposedly such a thing. Nothing can limit consciousness, and consciousness can't limit itself (maybe?), so it is an absolute infinity.

28 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That which is unlimited is not infinite because it is not something. If it were something, it would be limited to being that something, even if that something were infinite. The unlimited is not dimensional; it is the potential where infinities are possible

An infinity is always something, it is the lack of limit in some aspect - by definition.

[Eskilon]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

you do it every day at night. You create entire universes everyday. 

How can I do it while in the wake state? 

Is that the realm of siddhis？

The reason we taling heads can`t realize our desires in an instant is because this is not supposed to happen in this reality? And the reason that is not supposed to happen is because this current configuration of reality must exist the way it does as part of absolute infinity(every possibility)?

Edited 6 hours ago by Eskilon

[Inliytened1]

Because you don't want to.  You're absolutely in love with your ego otherwise you would break the whole thing. 

[Eskilon]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Because you don't want to

But why, why would GOD trade infinite orgasm for a human life?

[Inliytened1]

@Eskilon because to experience finite form is far more valiable.  To incarnate into human form is far more valiable than residing in infinite Consciousness forever. 

[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

because to experience finite form is far more valiable.  To incarnate into human form is far more valiable than residing in infinite Consciousness forever. 

This makes no sense. The whole Buddhism idea is to stop hoping from body to body and be in bliss forever. I am not saying necessarily that Buddhism is true, but it does make more sense than what you said(no offense).

Edited 4 hours ago by Eskilon

[Joshe]

Let's be real here. A better, more fitting term would be something like "perfect clarity". 

There is a big difference in saying, "the universe is infinitely intelligent and I am one with it" and saying, "I am infinitely intelligent". 

This is not merely a matter of style either. One is about the experience, the other is about the experiencer. 

"Egotists rejoice!!! Your folly has been laid bare!" - Vernon Howard 😂

[Inliytened1]

44 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

This makes no sense. The whole Buddhism idea is to stop hoping from body to body and be in bliss forever. I am not saying necessarily that Buddhism is true, but it does make more sense than what you said(no offense).

Why can't there be both.  If you dont experience it and go through what it is to be finite then you cant actually know.

[Inliytened1]

18 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Let's be real here. A better, more fitting term would be something like "perfect clarity". 

There is a big difference in saying, "the universe is infinitely intelligent and I am one with it" and saying, "I am infinitely intelligent". 

This is not merely a matter of style either. One is about the experience, the other is about the experiencer. 

"Egotists rejoice!!! Your folly has been laid bare!" - Vernon Howard 😂

Why can't it be both. 

[Joshe]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Why can't it be both. 

Because words mean things. 

Anytime I've witnessed deep states of consciousness, there was only experience, not experiencer. There was no "me". I was not it. It just was. The moment you say "I am infinitely intelligent", you are back in your ego - as far as I understand. And that understanding is from experience, not spiritual frameworks or doctrine. 

[Joshe]

Think of a dream. It's common in dreams for the "I" to be very thin, or even non-existent, and there's just perception with no I. That's what my mystical states are like. 

It's only when I wake up from a dream and the "I" comes back online when I start adding stories about what the dream meant. Saying "oh, I was infinitely intelligent in that dream", but in the dream, the "I" wasn't really there. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Joshe

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Because words mean things. 

Anytime I've witnessed deep states of consciousness, there was only experience, not 5experiencer. There was no "me". I was not it. It just was. The moment you say "I am infinitely intelligent", you are back in your ego - as far as I understand. And that understanding is from experience, not spiritual frameworks or doctrine. 

Non-duality ultimately breaks the barrier between the small I and the royal Self in Hinduism.   So ultimately there will be a collapse of small and big self.   Small self will collapse into big.   Meaning God itself.   Thats why the realization of Solipsism can make you feel very alone.   You realize you are God but you are still in human form.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

31 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Because words mean things. 

Anytime I've witnessed deep states of consciousness, there was only experience, not experiencer. There was no "me". I was not it. It just was. The moment you say "I am infinitely intelligent", you are back in your ego - as far as I understand. And that understanding is from experience, not spiritual frameworks or doctrine. 

You can go the other way - you can dissolve it all into (erase object) subject-subject or (erase subject) object-object. Ultimately, you get to there is no centralized experience. There is no ego (no self, no privileged point of view), or there is all ego (nonduality 'all is mind / awareness'). Intimacy with no separation.

The apparent structure of experience can be collapsed in both directions toward a nondual state. It is a collapse of all distinction that made the question meaningful.

In the end - its both. All me. No me.

This is getting to endgame where most discussions end because language dies trying to add any elaboration. Pushing further and further with words ends up confusing rather than clarifying.

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joshe]

12 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You can go the other way - you can dissolve it all into (erase object) subject-subject or (erase subject) object-object. Ultimately, you get to there is no centralized experience. There is no ego (no self, no privileged point of view), or there is all ego (nonduality 'all is mind / awareness'). Intimacy with no separation.

The apparent structure of experience can be collapsed in both directions toward a nondual state. It is a collapse of all distinction that made the question meaningful.

In the end - its both. All me. No me.

This is getting to endgame where most discussions end because language dies trying to add any elaboration. Pushing further and further with words ends up confusing rather than clarifying.

Interesting. Never thought of that of before. Thanks!

I'll need to let that idea stew for a few months, lol. 

[Inliytened1]

19 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You can go the other way - you can dissolve it all into (erase object) subject-subject or (erase subject) object-object. Ultimately, you get to there is no centralized experience. There is no ego (no self, no privileged point of view), or there is all ego (nonduality 'all is mind / awareness'). Intimacy with no separation.

The apparent structure of experience can be collapsed in both directions toward a nondual state. It is a collapse of all distinction that made the question meaningful.

In the end - its both. All me. No me.

This is getting to endgame where most discussions end because language dies trying to add any elaboration. Pushing further and further with words ends up confusing rather than clarifying.

He's 100 percent right but there is awakening to no self and then there is something beyond that.  One awakening at a time i say.  

Edited 2 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Interesting. Never thought of that of before. Thanks!

I'll need to let that idea stew for a few months, lol. 

There's an order to this and you were 100 percent on target.  You have to realize no self before anything else. That is enlightenment.  Everything else is the cherry on top.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

44 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He's 100 percent right but there is awakening to no self and then there is something beyond that.  One awakening at a time i say.  

Are you saying more lube is needed before I jam the cock in?

Gotta take it step by step, easy does it 

I was not disagreeing with @Joshe, to be clear 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Are you saying more lube is needed before I jam the cock in?

Gotta take it step by step, easy does it 

I was not disagreeing with @Joshe, to be clear 

Yes sweetheart haven't you heard of foreplay? 

And dont you dare talk dirty to me 😀

Edited 1 hour ago by Inliytened1

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Yes sweetheart haven't you heard of foreplay? 

Hahaha, the spirituality-flavoured foreplay. 

My God, I can't stop laughing

MY SIDES

[Inliytened1]

43 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Hahaha, the spirituality-flavoured foreplay. 

My God, I can't stop laughing

MY SIDES

😀

Edited 50 minutes ago by Inliytened1