No good or bad, being right or wrong or debating

[Someone here]

@VeganAwake is suffering funny though ?

[VeganAwake]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@VeganAwake is suffering funny though ?

There can be quite a variation in the meaning of the words: suffering & funny from one perspective to the next.

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

There can be quite a variation in the meaning of the words: suffering & funny from one perspective to the next.

Right .its relative . Yet you take the no self thingy as absolute truth and unquestionable and blatantly obvious when you do know it too is relative and not obvious .

 

[James123]

7 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@James123 so you can say it's not body or mind and just let it go but that's mind! That's a thought! Oh its not it just is.  Well..yeah it just is.  But what is that? Don't you care? It is certainly not atoms.  You harndwave it off and say it doesnt matter yet you use mind everyday. 

 

Body and mind is it's own. There is not a person inside of it.

Edited yesterday at 03:57 AM by James123

[Inliytened1]

31 minutes ago, James123 said:

Body and mind is it's own. There is not a person inside of it.

Then we agree. But body is also the dream.  There is only Mind. Body is made of nothing you can zoom into your hand forever.  Just as the you is nothing.

Edited yesterday at 04:27 AM by Inliytened1

[James123]

39 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Then we agree. But body is also the dream.  There is only Mind. Body is made of nothing you can zoom into your hand forever.  Just as the you is nothing.

No. There is no such thing as dream or not dream, these words are attachment. 

Where is the mind? Who is looking from eyes to zoom it?

Give up anything you know of. 

These are all beliefs. 

[James123]

@Inliytened1 give up these spiritual bullshit, you are reality God nothing etccc.

Kill that knower.

Spirituality, religion is bullshit kill that prayer, knower, experiencer.

Surrender the body and mind, be free.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

No. There is no such thing as dream or not dream, these words are attachment. 

Where is the mind? Who is looking from eyes to zoom it?

Give up anything you know of. 

These are all beliefs. 

There has never been a single doctrine by which one could enter the true essence of things.

Yes, give up “knowing” as there is never actually anything separate to be known; it is only ever the infinite, appearing as such.

To “know” something would mean standing apart from it. The infinite has no outside, so there is nothing separate to step back from. What seems finite is only the infinite, misperceived as a boundary.

There is no “finite knowing” - infinite only is.

👍 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Surrender the body and mind, be free.

The ultimate peace of God. 
 

❤️💯

 

 

 

[James123]

32 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

There has never been a single doctrine by which one could enter the true essence of things.

Yes, give up “knowing” as there is never actually anything separate to be known; it is only ever the infinite, appearing as such.

To “know” something would mean standing apart from it. The infinite has no outside, so there is nothing separate to step back from. What seems finite is only the infinite, misperceived as a boundary.

There is no “finite knowing” - infinite only is.

👍 

When you genuinely not konw or completely surrender, what will be infinite?

[Joseph Maynor]

12 hours ago, James123 said:

Kill that I.

I've lost count how many times I've been given this advice over the years lol.  

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

When you genuinely not konw or completely surrender, what will be infinite?

Not knowing? 🤔

[James123]

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Not knowing? 🤔

Even, when one genuinely not know, then what is even not knowing?

İt is actually so simple, thinking, learning, experiencing belongs to mind and body.

So whatever left is You. Just Be as before physical birth. You are still that, only body took place, when it does same again as before birth.

Body comes and goes, You are always same.

 

[Mellowmarsh]

@James123 okay, I understand what you’re saying, thanks.

[James123]

46 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

@James123 okay, I understand what you’re saying, thanks.

Anytime my brother.

[VeganAwake]

On 2/7/2026 at 4:02 PM, Someone here said:

Right .its relative . Yet you take the no self thingy as absolute truth and unquestionable and blatantly obvious when you do know it too is relative and not obvious .

 

It's so immediate and on the surface, that it's completely overlooked. It's been referred to as "An Open Secret".

It's surprisingly obvious and simultaneously not, so I understand what you mean.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

It's so immediate and on the surface, that it's completely overlooked. It's been referred to as "An Open Secret".

It's surprisingly obvious and simultaneously not, so I understand what you mean.

In the sense that this realization of no self promises nothing to the self Illusion. You see through your own illusory identity and you see through others as well but that doesn't make you special or superior to others nor absolve you from playing the social game and acting like a clown to fit in society and all the nonsense of human existence. So it kinda cancels itself once you become super conscious of the self illusion you don't crawl up in a corner somewhere but you play the social game even better. 

[James123]

On 2/8/2026 at 0:27 AM, VeganAwake said:

Good vs Bad/Right vs Wrong/True vs False are just socially conditioned concepts.

There isn't a higher dictator or god figure imposing these beliefs down onto the human population or anything like that........societal conditioning does that.......AKA: scared humans

Also something that seems bad at the time can later be realized as good.

And something that seems false at the time can later be realized as true.

So it's unknowable.......nobody can't predict the long term outcome of anything period.

What's bad for one can be great for another.

One man's trash is another man's treasure 🤑 

Can't come to a real conclusion on anything using a faulty measuring system lol.

 

İf there is a human, there is God.

Only, when all beliefs are surrendered, then the idea of god or human dissapears. And that's what real God is.

Stop reading books, listening videos.

Knowing the path and walking the path is completely different.

[Joseph Maynor]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

Knowing the path and walking the path is completely different.

Can you walk a path that you don't first know?