YoungTurks: Israeli run the US gov

[Nivsch]

@BlueOak Again I don't know how much such people exist in my country because you are describing here a quite extreme point of view 🙂

[zazen]

20 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Can you translate the word Zionism into simpler words?

At its most basic it's Jews returning to their historic homeland. The term Zionism is new but the idea existed among Western Christians (protestants, calvinists, evangelicals) from before. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

A big reason for it being well received and acted upon was because the powers of the time were already primed for it. That's aside from the material conditions - fall of Ottoman empire giving way to the British empire governing Palestine + mass industrial scale atrocities in Europe (culminating in the holocaust) = need for a moral and strategically aligned solution / project to replace a declining British empire that needed to leave that region without losing strategic influence. It's been Western aligned ever since and now tied to US interests as the baton got passed to the US as the world power.

From the wiki link above:

“The crumbling of the Ottoman Empire threatened the British route to India via the Suez Canal as well as sundry French, German and American economic interests. In 1831 the Ottomans were driven from the region of Syria (including Palestine) by an expansionist Egypt, in the First Turko-Egyptian War. Although Britain forced Muhammad Ali to withdraw to Egypt, the Levantwas left for a brief time without a government. The ongoing weakness of the Ottoman Empire made some in the west consider the potential of a Jewish state in the Holy Land. A number of important figures within the British government advocated such a plan, including Charles Henry Churchill.[40][41] Again during the lead-up to the Crimean War (1854), there was an opportunity for political rearrangements in the Near East. In July 1853, Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, who was President of the London Society for Promoting Christianity Amongst the Jews, wrote to Prime Minister Aberdeen urging Jewish restoration as a means of stabilizing the region.[8][42][43]”

 

The starting point is the same (return to homeland) but the reason for return and what its meant to achieve is different for different groups which is where the confusion comes.  Multiple reasons converged together - a divine promiseland, security from persecution, imperial strategy for empire. Herzel plugged into a existing worldview of the powers at the time who could make that vision come true. The major problem everyone has had and still has now is the implementation of that vision and that native Palestinians already existed there who are trying to be sidelined / cleansed.

Edited 3 hours ago by zazen

[zazen]

On 1/26/2026 at 1:44 PM, Ramasta9 said:

Jews run most of the western world, let alone the USA. The rothschild family alone are worth 500+ trillion dollars. They have robbed the whole world and have gold bars underground that go for miles.

 

Tunnels make sense then lol

 

It's mainly Western empire not Jews - before the West it was other empires and even during the Wests reign other imperial powers existed but got squashed (Japan).  The West has just dominated the imperial space the past centuries from colonialism till today where it is now being challenged into retreat by BRICS. Israel and Zionism is a very influential and powerful node within that wide architecture as I commented on on the previous page. Russia also had its own imperialism during the USSR simultaneously along side the West which is what the Cold War was about.

But at the same time - Islamic, Chinese, Russian and increasingly Indian civilizations are large enough with enough binding glue of identity they want to fight for and not bend the knee to Western powers. Any power (Iran, Russia, China) or even non-power (Venezuela) that doesn't bend the knee to the uni-polar order gets targeted. Islamic civilization is potent but divided - and was divided. Today they are coming closer together un-evenly and haphazardly trying to extricate themselves and hedge against the West - each to varying degrees depending on their strengths and weaknesses. Gulf countries with oil money, Turkey and Pakistan with some muscle as deterrence and in Pakistan's case having the coming (already arrived?) superpower China on its side as its ''iron-brother''. 

[BlueOak]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

@BlueOak Again I don't know how much such people exist in my country because you are describing here a quite extreme point of view 🙂

Populations are not divided into war lovers and peace lovers.

They are divided by institutions and groups that frame violence as necessary and populations that when under fear accept it.

Fear is the tool of the dictator and the authoritarian. The only metric you could give me is, how afraid do the population of israel feel right now?