Consciousness is all that there is

[Ramasta9]

Existence is what is / Consciousness is what it's like to be what is

 

[Davino]

9 hours ago, LastThursday said:

I think within here means inside, no? Consciousness wouldn't be the container, it is the thing itself (there is no screen). 

It is both the screen and the appearance 

The screen is the trascendental unchanging reality

The manifestation is the immanent ever changing dream

Consciousness is both and one cannot exist without the other, it's a cocreation

The transcendental Reality (Brahman Consciousness) needs to be in one state or the other (manifestation, dream or universe). In the same way, the manifestation of appearances necessitates to 'exist' and it's this existence which is necessarily trascendental.

So you can have an Awakening only into appearances, you can have an Awakening in to the trascendental screen, you can have an Awakening of both at the same time and finally both are Realised as the some One Ultimate Reality.

9 hours ago, LastThursday said:

But is it consciousness singular or consciousnesses plural? If what you experience is a plurality of consciousnesses then yes there can be an "outside" to a particular instance of consciousness, i.e. it's another consciousness. 

Consciousness is Infinity

Let me phrase it like this

Imagine you have One Seed, the Original and Primordial Seed of Reality. Then it grows like a egg and hatches in and overflowing strange loop movement, from which a million flowers sprung and blossom reaping a trillion more seeds, that are both identical to the original and completely unique, like a chamber of mirrors replicating itself ad infinitum.

9 hours ago, LastThursday said:

In my idea above, consciousness is synonymous with appearance. 

This is true

10 hours ago, LastThursday said:

See it like this. Say there is a left and a right "appearance" in your vision. My argument is that the left appearance is distinct from the right appearance, and you may as well call each of them a separate consciousness, because they are in fact different. That's because I'm collapsing consciousness and appearance into one thing. There is nothing in principle stopping you from defining consciousness this way, just as there nothing in principle stopping you from defining consciousness as "one thing". 

That is so with the Immanent/manifestation Awakening, but not so with the Trascendental Awakening. 

You may fragment Reality or Consciousness ad Infinitum but it's still existence/consciousness/reality, that's the unifying Trascendental Brahman throughout all Infinity, it's the eternal now-experience that metamorphs at every breath.

Both have to be realised independently, Combined and as One.

10 hours ago, LastThursday said:

I think what gets in the way is that most people have a sense of a unified "me" that experiences things "out there", and it's hard to see through that.

Oh yes, that's true and in fact our conversation is going clearly much beyond that as well.

That Awakening is basic and fundamental for the rest of the path to unfold, it's like a checkpoint.

[Davino]

18 hours ago, PolyPeter said:

The ultimate remembering of what you are

Consciousness plays the game of forgetting itself as God dreaming reality, getting lost within its own creations

How do you know that is true?

It is true, but have you realised it? If so, how holistically? When and how was that Awakening / God-Realisation for you? Please explain

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Davino said:

@LastThursday And you're conscious of all that and all of this

How can anything exist outside of consciousness, when inside and outside happen within Conscious, all thoughts, emotions, experiences, appearances, sensations, states are manifestations of the same one Reality, which is existence itself, truth, consciousness, Love, Infinite, Universal Mind, Living God

To place "consciousness" as the ontological foundation of reality is to elevate the ego to the status of god. Consciousness is not something; it is reality in its dualistic form, reflecting itself. It's just the reality, but in registration and self-preservation mode. In the human case, also in symbolic mode.

Don't you think it's too easy for "enlightenment" to be realizing that you are consciousness? The true Tao cannot be named. If you name it (as consciousness, for example), it's a false Tao.

[Davino]

@Breakingthewall How can Consciousness be dual? If consciousness is aware of duality and trinities, and oneness. You are aware of ego and transcendence of ego, you are aware of 

Don't you see that Consciousness is the One Medium of Reality? See around and feel this awareness 

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Don't you think it's too easy for "enlightenment" to be realizing that you are consciousness? The true Tao cannot be named. If you name it (as consciousness, for example), it's a false Tao.

If it were so easy, being such an advanced practitioner as you are, wouldn't you have already realised it? 

Of course no name grasps the unknowability and mystery of ________

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Davino said:

How can Consciousness be dual? If consciousness is aware of duality and trinities, and oneness. You are aware of ego and transcendence of ego, you are aware of 

16 hours ago, Davino said:

@LastThursday 

"Consciousness" is not aware. Being aware means reality reflecting in itself. For reflection to exist, reality must be divided in two, and that's what happens with life. Life is a self-preserving universe with its own laws within another universe with its own laws. This creates duality. Without duality, there is no consciousness.

There is no creator, no intention, only coherence unfolding. This is difficult for the ego. There is no center, no borders. 

11 minutes ago, Davino said:

Of course no name grasps the unknowability and mystery of ________

It's not a mystery, it's very simple. Unlimited being is absence of limitations that makes inevitable that reality is. You can know it easily if you dissolve all the barriers and all the identities. You are, and this is everything. 

But this is not a knowledge, or a realization. It's the breaking of the barriers that makes possible that the being reveals itself, your true nature. It's not consciusness, god, love or anything. It's unlimited and thats everything 

Edited yesterday at 02:12 PM by Breakingthewall

[Davino]

@Breakingthewall but then, how can beingness be separate from Consciousness?

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

@Breakingthewall but then, how can beingness be separate from Consciousness?

Consciousness is the reality / being/ limitlessness, as you want to name it, reflected within itself. It is not separate; it is a facet of reality, a form.

Let's see, if you consider consciousness to be primary, the foundation of reality, this leads you to the realization that consciousness is "dreaming" reality. This implies a center that performs an action, dreaming, and a dream that is an illusion observed by that center. That center would be you, that is, God.

This view is limiting on all sides. It is ego elevated to divine power. If consciousness creates dreams, it is not consciousness; it is a dream-creating entity that is then conscious of them.

Furthermore, it is an entity with a precise will: the creation of this specific dream. Moreover, it has the will to deceive itself so as not to be conscious of what it is creating. This is pure consciousness? Don't you see that this is impossible? It is limited in all of its sides. Reality is open. That's all. 

Edited yesterday at 04:45 PM by Breakingthewall

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Let's see, if you consider consciousness to be primary, the foundation of reality, this leads you to the realization that consciousness is "dreaming" reality. This implies a center that performs an action, dreaming, and a dream that is an illusion observed by that center. 

I don't see the implication of centre and a performance of action.

If we are strict there's no difference between dreamer, dreaming and dream, it's the One Reality. Although you may realize this one Truth by many facets and it's a joy doing so.

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That center would be you, that is, God.

This present experience existing is my Living GOD.

Reality is centerless, which means every point is the centre. Now, we are entering into Infinity mechanics, which is a topic for another day.

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Furthermore, it is an entity with a precise will: the creation of this specific dream. Moreover, it has the will to deceive itself so as not to be conscious of what it is creating. This is pure consciousness? Don't you see that this is impossible? It is limited in all of its sides. Reality is open. That's all. 

This specific Reality is happening, how is it that comes to be and is?

I realized existence is happens out of Pure Imagination, that's how anything exists at all. I'm curious to know, how do you explain the existence of this particular permutation of Reality or any possible Reality. It doesn't exist a more elegant solution than Self-Creation and Absolute Imagination. Explain me how you see it

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

realized existence is happens out of Pure Imagination, that's how anything exists at all. I'm curious to know, how do you explain the existence of this particular permutation of Reality or any possible Reality. It doesn't exist a more elegant solution than Self-Creation and Absolute Imagination. Explain me how you see it

Imagination implies a creator who imagines based on a pre-existing structure and with a intention. Therefore, this creator would be something concrete, limited, that imagines one thing and nothing else. This is impossible, it's limited. 

Reality can only have one origin: in the absence of limits, that which is perfectly coherent unfolds since nothing impedes that unfolding. Only that which is absolutely coherent in all its facets. This is not a limitation; it is a condition for unfolding. The slightest incoherence, the smallest deviation, results in non-appearance, because any appearance is relative to itself. Coherence is the possibility of a stable relationship between elements, even if that relationship is chaotic.

The source of reality is limitlessness; limitlessness implies being. Being implies manifestation, and manifestation implies coherence. This is not nihilistic; true openness to limitless being is enlightenment. It is absolute potential and the core of everything. You are that. It is not an entity; it is the limitless, and when you open yourself to it, it is absolutely obvious.

[Davino]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Imagination implies a creator who imagines based on a pre-existing structure and with a intention. Therefore, this creator would be something concrete, limited, that imagines one thing and nothing else. This is impossible, it's limited. 

Of course it does NOT mean that

It's stupid to hold that as true, it's false, I don't say that at all

Imagination does not require anything at all, it's self-sustaining. We are talking about the ultimate mechanism of how anything comes to be, of how Reality is happening right now.

Imagination even imagines itself into existence, it's pure creation

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Reality can only have one origin: in the absence of limits, that which is perfectly coherent unfolds since nothing impedes that unfolding. Only that which is absolutely coherent in all its facets. This is not a limitation; it is a condition for unfolding. The slightest incoherence, the smallest deviation, results in non-appearance, because any appearance is relative to itself. Coherence is the possibility of a stable relationship between elements, even if that relationship is chaotic.

Nah, you haven't figured out how anything comes to be, the in real mechanism

I'm not saying you should believe me, but give it another contemplation because you might have a huge epiphany on this facet around the corner.

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The source of reality is limitlessness

Yes, you got that one. I like to call it Infinity instead of limitlessness, but a matter of personal taste, we're aligned here

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

limitlessness implies being. Being implies manifestation, and manifestation implies coherence. This is not nihilistic; true openness to limitless being is enlightenment. It is absolute potential and the core of everything. You are that. It is not an entity; it is the limitless, and when you open yourself to it, it is absolutely obvious.

It's not that Infinity implies being but that Infinity is being, and beingness is inherently infinite and limitless, as it can be everything it wants as limits are contained within the beingness possibility space.

Have you wondered that maybe this limitlessness you talk about may be... The God-head! Next time you tap into Infinity just go as Infinite as you can, when you do so deep enough, long enough, insanely enough, a big bang happens and everything becomes Awake, Reality is the Living God.

[Breakingthewall]

38 minutes ago, Davino said:

Have you wondered that maybe this limitlessness you talk about may be... The God-head! Next time you tap into Infinity just go as Infinite as you can, when you do so deep enough, long enough, insanely enough, a big bang happens and everything becomes Awake, Reality is the Living God.

I've had many realizations like that. They mean nothing; they're projections of the ego. Have I done psychedelics maybe a thousand times? Probably more. Only total openness is absolute; anything else is relative. Any content is noise. Love, God, all of that is a construct. The total is simply total. Open. That's it. I'm open to the openess most of time, that's my basic state. No noise, not emotional change, no sorrow, no questions, no friction, just openess happening, flow state. You can't pretend if, it's impossible. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Joseph Maynor]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I've had many realizations like that. They mean nothing; they're projections of the ego. Have I done psychedelics maybe a thousand times? Probably more. Only total openness is absolute; anything else is relative. Any content is noise. Love, God, all of that is a construct. The total is simply total. Open. That's it. I'm open to the openess most of time, that's my basic state. No noise, not emotional change, no sorrow, no questions, no friction, just openess happening, flow state. You can't pretend if, it's impossible. 

But when you trip you're also experiencing projections of ego, right?  So you rid yourself of those now, but they're there when you're tripping too.

[LastThursday]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

"Consciousness" is not aware. Being aware means reality reflecting in itself. For reflection to exist, reality must be divided in two

The nature of consciousness is that it exists. For something to exist there must always be an awareness of it, the two go hand in hand. 

You could go two ways here. You could say that something has to be aware of something else, which is your argument. Or the more counterintuitive way is that awareness is existential, awareness is exactly the same as existence. Consciousness = Existence = Awareness.

Awareness is a bad word, because it's easy to get tripped up in language. To be aware is a transitive verb, so has "twoness" built into the word.

Stuff exists, no matter how you want to describe it. What stuff exists is exactly what is being made aware of.

 

13 hours ago, Davino said:

It is both the screen and the appearance 

The screen is the trascendental unchanging reality

The manifestation is the immanent ever changing dream

Having a screen is over complicating the description though. Where is the evidence for a transcendental unchanging reality? All is change, all the time.

Edited 19 hours ago by LastThursday

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

But when you trip you're also experiencing projections of ego, right?  So you rid yourself of those now, but they're there when you're tripping too.

If I have any ego projections, I know they're ego protections, so I don't accept them as ontological truth. What you seek in a psychedelic trip is the dissolution of energetic barriers, not understanding things on a conceptual level. That wouldn't make much sense; it would be like driving drunk and thinking you're doing better that way.

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, LastThursday said:

For something to exist there must always be an awareness of it

Why? A stone only exist if someone is aware of if?

10 hours ago, LastThursday said:

Or the more counterintuitive way is that awareness is existential, awareness is exactly the same as existence. Consciousness = Existence = Awareness.

Yes counterintuitive, or directly not logical. Like a religious dogma.  It happens because being human we are awareness or we perceive ourselves as it, then we can't conceive reality not aware, so we Invent a a bearded god and, more sophisticatedly, a creative consciousness

Edited 8 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[LastThursday]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why? A stone only exist if someone is aware of if?

No no. There is no "someone", a stone exists that's it, and it has the property of "awareness" because it it exists.

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It happens because being human we are awareness

Being human with awareness is part of the same continuum of the inate awareness of existence itself. The awareness doesn't come from us, it comes from existence itself. We are composed wholly of the appearances of existence, that's why "we" are aware.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, LastThursday said:

No no. There is no "someone", a stone exists that's it, and it has the property of "awareness" because it it exists.

What is the property of "awareness" of a stone? A stone is not an entity that can possess something like awareness. You might think so, but it's arbitrary.

 

1 hour ago, LastThursday said:

Being human with awareness is part of the same continuum of the inate awareness of existence itself. The awareness doesn't come from us, it comes from existence itself. We are composed wholly of the appearances of existence, that's why "we" are aware.

Well, It's a religious way of looking at it, but if instead of adhering to religious beliefs you observe reality, it's obvious that consciousness arises when reality is structured in a dualistic way. A stone is not an entity separate from the universe; a human being is. It operates according to its own laws; it is a universe in itself within a larger universe. It intentionally preserves and perpetuates itself.

In contrast, a stone is only a consequence of the laws of the primary universe; it is not separate from it. Therefore, consciousness is the interface between two separate realities that arises from the need for self-preservation. Consciousness is one way in which reality appears.

[LastThursday]

I'm out. I'm tagging back in @PolyPeter

[PolyPeter]

On 1/22/2026 at 0:30 PM, LastThursday said:

It's like connecting two different coloured Lego bricks and calling it it a "belief"

just that in this case, this are the exact lego brick