How Neurodiversity can lead to narcissistic Coping

[Cred]

@Lyubov Again, this is idealism. Can you look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that a full-time Reddit mod is as valuable as a neurosurgeon? Do you really think you can in your lifetime reach this level of awakening while also surviving?

[Cred]

If you really think you can detach from conventional thinking by watching Leo Gura you are mistaken. For example "follow your passion is bad advice" is the premise of the book so good they can't ignore you by Cal Newport which is on Leos book list I believe. The anti ND propaganda runs very deep and again, you can only detach by going into a cave forever or learning about ND

[Cred]

38 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Yes, this is what it's all about.

This is deep work. Excavating the dirt around the root of the ego that you think you've already transcended.

Wanna talk about an "awakening"? Wait till you have the ND awakening. You'll bawl like a little girl and will never be the same.

It is important to note that when I use the phrase "neurodivergent" for most of y'all this is basically a black box with some limited and skewed prejudices attached because you have not learned enough about it and not experienced it enough. The words above are the words of someone who can see inside the box. 

Notice that this is exactly like talking to an atheist and using the word "god".

[Hojo]

@Cred Self acceptance comes after seeing God. You dont even know what the self is to accept it until you've seen God. What are you accepting?

When you see what God is God is the self. Not the human self but the entirety of your reality experience. And then by contrast accepting people bullying you is accepting the self. Not judging reality not fighting it just accepting it you accept yourself and God. Not shunning them away and not hating anyone is accepting the self. You hate yourself because you dont even exist.

Not secluding yourself to your hole but to go out into the forest and get eaten by wolves. Metaphysically.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[Lyubov]

1 hour ago, Cred said:

@Lyubov Again, this is idealism. Can you look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that a full-time Reddit mod is as valuable as a neurosurgeon? Do you really think you can in your lifetime reach this level of awakening while also surviving?

Yes I can tell you that, honestly. No it is not idealism. It is you resisting truth. 

[Willie]

2 hours ago, Cred said:

Why would you read obscure tibetan spiritual scriptures if you could instead come with to the club and dance to Pitbull you weirdo

¿Porque no los dos?

[Hojo]

1 hour ago, Cred said:

@Lyubov Again, this is idealism. Can you look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that a full-time Reddit mod is as valuable as a neurosurgeon? Do you really think you can in your lifetime reach this level of awakening while also surviving?

Gods doing everything there isnt better or not better. The mod isn't better or worse than the neuroscientist and worth is defined by God to God the neuro scientist and the reddit mod are both equal. Both of their souls are God's best friend.

[Lyubov]

Why do you believe someone’s place in society determines their value? 

That means you believe society gives life value? 

Who gave this value to society to give? Did someone one day just give society this value to give to its members? Where did it come from before that?

Who said society is hereby anointed to give value? 

At what point is this value anointed? 5 years old? 10? 
 

Does a doctor hold a baby up and yell “Quick society! Give this baby value!” ???

Reread my example on gays. If you align with society you align with falsehood and you will always be searching for ways to love yourself because you’re overlooking what you’ve always had, which was never given to you and could never possibly ever be given away or leave you. 

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[Cred]

When I say "you might have to cut people out of your life to find peace" I mean cut them out in a detached way. People with ND make decisions that feel right to them that they are insecure about and that is why they tell themselves stories like "This person is evil this is why I can't see them again" or "this job is meaningless that's why I have to quit and follow my passion". 

Idealism does not help you at all to make decisions. Again, the only one action that idealism points to is to join a monastery or go into a cave. Self acceptance is both tied to your level of awakening and to your life purpose and how you act in the world. If you don't learn about ND, your life purpose and your actions in your life will be misguided.

I want to make a separate post about my critique of idealism (every sense of the word). The idealism deception runs very deep in Leo and this community. My head is buzzing though. I have to take a break.

[Joshe]

21 minutes ago, Hojo said:

What are you accepting?

Yourself, and that which you have unconsciously rejected, and the elaborate self-defense system you've constructed as a coping mechanism to answer why you are the way that you are and why it's justified. It is justified, but probably not for the reasons your think.

Is it possible your current explanatory framework is actually fortification masquerading as insight? IS THAT POSSIBLE?

Right now, your reasons could just be rationalizations. If so, if you found the actual reasons, the felt experience of that would heal you in ways you otherwise wouldn't heal. 

How can you know if your cup is full? Imagine discovering something totally new that could change your life. The moment I saw it, it became so obvious. It was right under my nose this entire time - and I never even saw it. 

Even if this inquiry wouldn't benefit you, I'm living proof of it's benefit, so you can't just call it nonsense. There is some deep healing to be had by pulling this thread. 

[Cred]

@Lyubov Again I 100% agree that separating from societal norms is the goal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_disintegration

My claim is that you vastly underestimate how difficult this is in practice

[Lyubov]

4 minutes ago, Cred said:

@Lyubov Again I 100% agree that separating from societal norms is the goal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_disintegration

My claim is that you vastly underestimate how difficult this is in practice

Well, no you don’t agree because you are choosing to align with what society thinks is valuable. You just said you think a doctor is innately more valuable than a Reddit mod. Now you are flip flopping and saying you need to un align with society. Which is it? You have to hold yourself accountable. This is why your head is buzzing. You’re splitting yourself in two fighting to hold onto contradictions and falsehoods. 

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[Hojo]

@Joshe No its not. I emptied my cup, when you empty your cup you have kundalini. I already self inquired i already did all this. And I am now healing by sticking up to this hypocrisy.

Yourself dosent exist. Only God exists.

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[Joshe]

34 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Why do you believe someone’s place in society determines their value? 

That means you believe society gives life value? 

Who gave this value to society to give? Did someone one day just give society this value to give to its members? Where did it come from before that?

Who said society is hereby anointed to give value? 

At what point is this value anointed? 5 years old? 10? 
 

Does a doctor hold a baby up and yell “Quick society! Give this baby value!” ???

Reread my example on gays. If you align with society you align with falsehood and you will always be searching for ways to love yourself because you’re overlooking what you’ve always had, which was never given to you and could never possibly ever be given away or leave you. 

You can spiritually reframe value all day, but your nervous system still responds to it. If you're out at a party and ask someone "what do you do?" and they respond "I'm a reddit mod", and another person tells you they're a neurosurgeon, you will feel something different between these two responses. And that feeling comes before any thinking ever takes place. It happens before your enlightened belief kicks in.

Awakening doesn't delete this circuitry. If you claim it does or deny this circuitry, you're fooling yourself.

One way to not respond to value hierarchies is via dissociation, which I think is often mistaken for enlightenment or spiritual work. I too can bypass the value hierarchy with this method if I practice it enough, but I see it's the wrong approach. Dissociation can be learned, but it's bypassing, not integrating.

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[Hojo]

33 minutes ago, Cred said:

My head is buzzing though. I have to take a break.

This will happen alot here. This is a yoga forum. If you talk alot here you will have peace and lose your ego.

Contrary to what people think ego is, they think its arguing, its actually the buzzing you are feeling. If you find yourself getting worked up thats ego, not the arguments you are having.

Ego = trying to be right

Non ego = being right

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[Cred]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

Is it possible your current explanatory framework is actually fortification masquerading as insight?

Well said. It is called spiritual bypassing.

[Cred]

@Hojo My head is buzzing because of burnout

[Hojo]

@Cred Burnout is ego. Reacting to what we are saying is ego. If you stop reacting its just a flowstate. No thinking required no burnout. Unless you talking about irl burnout.

Edited 1 hour ago by Hojo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

Awakening doesn't delete this circuitry. If you claim it does or deny this circuitry, you're fooling yourself.

It doesn't delete it - but it shows you it is conditioning. External.

You see through the conditioning. You see through the illusions. And that does not delete anything, it lessons the grip and hold these previously believed immutable thoughts had. Then the work of awareness begins to clean these things up and help dissolve unnecessary stuff. 

Sort of like - you went your whole life assuming certain traits you had (IE reacting to slight) were fixed. Someone is mean - you get angry! Then something reveals to you that you were actually choosing to react. So with this new awareness, you slowly begin to catch yourself when you react, and learn how to stop the response. It is a slow process. It can be done. Your nervous system stops responding in the way it did as a response.

Wake up, clean up. Not my saying, but a very, very frequent one in seasoned spiritual process.