Neurodivergent Bias of Actualized.org

[Cred]

I believe Leo is not talking nearly enough about neurodivergence (ND) in his blog and in his videos. It is a big source of bias of this community.

ND people naturally struggle with conformity. Autistic people value absolute truth over social truth. Also, they don’t like crowded places, so they prefer to spend time and socialize on the internet, for example on forums.

People with ADHD and ED value passion over regular jobs, since regular jobs are physically painful to them, which influences their definition of life purpose.

Highly sensitive people value spirituality, since they are able to find pleasure in subtle sensations.

Only gifted people have the brain power to think about philosophy all day.

ND is a fundamental difference in the wiring of the brain which is genetic and irreversible. People who are ND fundamentally see the world differently than neurotypical people. I don’t want to downplay Leo’s work, but to point out the limits of his universalist rhetoric. It is important to know that it is impossible to pull regular people (the masses, in Marxist talk) up to our level, and we need to instead focus on leading them.

Be aware of skewed stereotypes and edge cases about ND. Don’t say, “I’m not a nerd who can’t talk or feed themselves and has meltdowns, therefore I’m not autistic,” or “I can sit still, therefore I don’t have ADHD and therefore I don’t have executive dysfunction,” since all of ND is on a spectrum, and even if you don’t qualify for any diagnosis, your life can still be greatly impacted by being ND. My experience with ND people tells me that there is about a 99% chance that the person reading this is ND. I’ve never met a neurotypical person who is active on forums, especially a theoretical one like this.

Most people have a bias toward wanting to believe that they are normal. This can be extremely dangerous for your life, in the same way that a person who is denying their drug addiction is much more likely to face disastrous outcomes than someone who is aware and seeks help. Don’t fall into the trap of being skeptical about being ND. Be skeptical about your skepticism. If it looks like a banana, smells like a banana, feels like a banana, and tastes like a banana, it is a banana.

[Jannes]

@Cred What do you really want to say with this post ?

Leo adresses ND in some of his posts, even crediting them, that their mind is more open to higher consciousness but that he "unfortunately" has a rock solid mind. 

I would be sceptical that most people here have ND, but a poll would be very interesting. 

I myself have ADHD. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Jannes

[Cred]

@Jannes

Thanks for the reply. I think I have not made my point clear enough. I believe the reason why Leo’s teachings have an autistic, ADHD/ED, HSP (Highly Sensitive Person), and gifted-person bias is because he himself shares a significant number of symptoms associated with all of these. My claim is that this is also the case for the most invested Actualized.org fans. (It is important to note that if you have one kind of neurodivergence, the likelihood of also having symptoms of a different kind is much higher than for neurotypical people.)

I agree with you that only a minority of people on this forum have a diagnosis. This would likely be reflected in a hypothetical poll. But just because you don’t have a diagnosis does not mean you don’t have symptoms.

Having a “rock solid mind” is not an indication of not being neurodivergent. Quite the opposite. Rigorous logical thinking is often considered a trait associated with autism.

[Joshe]

@Cred 100%

I just found out I'm autistic af about 4 months ago. No formal diagnosis but I dove into it and fit the mould almost perfectly. I plugged in my tendencies, preferences, actions, etc into multiple AIs and had them estimate likelihood this person is ND, and they all said 95%.

There are some VERY big, and what many here would consider devastating implications for finding out about this.

If they really wanted to fuck their ego, they'd pull on this thread.

I wept pretty hard upon processing it all, but it was a relief. Finally, a strong explanation.

Edited 2 hours ago by Joshe

[Hojo]

@JosheJust because society deems it as a diagnosis dosent mean that its a diagnosis. Its actually a super power. 
Cry to nullify identity, not to be sad. When people see God they cant help but cry, why? Because God is the ultimate identity killer. Whenever you change identity you must cry as crying is detaching neurons.

Why do humans cry but other animals dont? Because they dont have identities. If you realize this you realize crying has nothing to do with you, its a process the brain is doing with its identity.

Edited 1 hour ago by Hojo

[Basman]

Just now, Hojo said:

@JosheJust because society deems it as a diagnosis dosent mean that its a diagnosis. Its actually a super power. 
Cry to nullify identity, not to be sad.

Depending on the severity autism can be quiet debilitating. I know a number of autistic people and I would honestly describe them as mildly retarded. They are incapable of handling a number of things that's completely natural for neurotypical person.

[Hojo]

@BasmanIts their parents energy. Autist people lack identity so they suck up the energy or their parents. If their parents give them love they are ok, if their parents are angry and hate them they get erratic.

I have seen videos of autistic retarded kids with loving parents and they are chill. I have seen videos of autistic kids with parents that secretly lament them and they are angry.

If you have a loving environment the autistic person is like a cat. Theres no person there its just like a being its totally fine doing nothing. Then there are households where the cats are very angry, any household with an angry cat, the owners did that do them.

Edited 1 hour ago by Hojo

[Basman]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@BasmanIts their parents energy.

What are you waffling about?

[Hojo]

@Basman

The reason this kid is like this is because of his mother. Shes super angry person.

Edited 1 hour ago by Hojo

[Cred]

Autism can impede the skill of independence. If that's one of your core values, and you have autism, you have a problem. 

[Joshe]

@Hojo Finding out didn't make me think I have a disability or anything is wrong with me. I didn't experience it as negative. I view my ND as a gift. I wouldn't want it any other way. I don't care what anyone else thinks about it. And I'm also not making it my identity - I don't think "I'm autistic". I live the same as I lived before I found out, just a little lighter. 

[Cred]

@Hojo It is important to note that this the kid in the video is not the kind of person I'm talking about. If this guy is 100 on the spectrum, I'd say the average actualized.org fan is a 10-20. This is still significant and often overlooked, since people who only have mild autistic traits can learn to mask and to cope, which can be a source of self-deception if not done in an aware way. In some way, people with mild autistic traits are at a higher risk since it is not obvious to others and themselves that they are struggling, chronically stressed and need help/be treated with different (social) standards than neurotypical people.

It is obvious that the mother is not capable to understand the boy or get his needs met. I am not familiar enough with severe forms of autism to be able to conclude that this person could have a trouble free life in a more healthy environment.

Edited 47 minutes ago by Cred

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

16 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Basman

The reason this kid is like this is because of his mother. Shes super angry person.

Damn. Talk about spawning on a legendary difficulty. Poor guy

[Infinite Tsukuyomi]

I can't speak for others but I am a textbook neurodivergent person, ADHD I believe. I have reason to think I may be on the bipolar spectrum but I don't have a diagnosis. Highly intelligent, contemplative, non-comformist thinker, rebellious (especially mentally). It was only in my late 20s early 30s that I connected the dots. I was interested in Truth/God as a kid, from the very first time I asked my mother if she was going to die and if I was. 

I overcompensated, and quite well, to modern life and was a honor student and big picture thinker. My childhood and teenage Christianity was very performative, as a lot of my social life was. Would always be interested in videos about outer space, only because I was under the assumption that science would solve reality, what was at edge of the Universe and why is anything here at all. Found Morgue on Youtube and was introduced to conceptual infinity. 

That very moment I understood the consequences of Infinity and how it needed no cause. Then finally found actualized.org where my search for the Truth had actual fuel. At some point, I recognized that Leo's mind and my own have lots of similarities, and I can appreciate that his is truly amazing. With a mind like mine, I can't fathom not caring about Truth, even though the pursuit is extremely painful for me. 

At some point, I encountered the SHOCKING truth video, about enlightenment and realized how significant that discovery would be. Within one year of discovering him, I had adopted meditation and contemplation and had multiple NN DMT trips and 5-MeO; which led to experiences of no self as well the horror and amazement of Infinity. 

For a mind like mine actualized.org is a buffet. Mental sovereignty is important to me now though, and I realize this means less of watching and listening to him. As far as bias is concerned, if other minds don't care about Truth-seeking then there is almost nothing he can do. 

[Hojo]

@CredYes, I know. I can only assume here whats happening, autistic people are very sensitive people. So if we are 20 percent more sensitive this kid is 100 percent more sensitive.

If you can walk into a house that someone was murdered in and feel weird this kid will walk into a house that someone was murdered in and feel like hes being murdered. 0 identity only feeling energy.

That and the shitty food hes eating and chaotic dirty household and very angry mother this kids probably going haywire inside.

Edited 44 minutes ago by Hojo

[Cred]

@Infinite Tsukuyomi <3

7 minutes ago, Infinite Tsukuyomi said:

I can't speak for others but I am a textbook neurodivergent person, ADHD I believe. I have reason to think I may be on the bipolar spectrum but I don't have a diagnosis. Highly intelligent, contemplative, non-comformist thinker, rebellious (especially mentally). It was only in my late 20s early 30s that I connected the dots. I was interested in Truth/God as a kid, from the very first time I asked my mother if she was going to die and if I was. 

I overcompensated, and quite well, to modern life and was a honor student and big picture thinker. My childhood and teenage Christianity was very performative, as a lot of my social life was. Would always be interested in videos about outer space, only because I was under the assumption that science would solve reality, what was at edge of the Universe and why is anything here at all. Found Morgue on Youtube and was introduced to conceptual infinity. 

That very moment I understood the consequences of Infinity and how it needed no cause. Then finally found actualized.org where my search for the Truth had actual fuel. At some point, I recognized that Leo's mind and my own have lots of similarities, and I can appreciate that his is truly amazing. With a mind like mine, I can't fathom not caring about Truth, even though the pursuit is extremely painful for me. 

At some point, I encountered the SHOCKING truth video, about enlightenment and realized how significant that discovery would be. Within one year of discovering him, I had adopted meditation and contemplation and had multiple NN DMT trips and 5-MeO; which led to experiences of no self as well the horror and amazement of Infinity. 

For a mind like mine actualized.org is a buffet. Mental sovereignty is important to me now though, and I realize this means less of watching and listening to him. As far as bias is concerned, if other minds don't care about Truth-seeking then there is almost nothing he can do. 

 

Edited 39 minutes ago by Cred

[Cred]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@CredYes, I know. I can only assume here whats happening, autistic people are very sensitive people. So if we are 20 percent more sensitive this kid is 100 percent more sensitive.

If you can walk into a house that someone was murdered in and feel weird this kid will walk into a house that someone was murdered in and feel like hes being murdered. 0 identity only feeling energy.

That and the shitty food hes eating and chaotic dirty household and very angry mother this kids probably going haywire inside.

Your perspective on the role of the self in people with autism is interesting. Got any sources?

[Hojo]

@Cred No because psychology dosent understand the self. Even with this kid there are dualities. If he can feel that negative he can feel the opposite that good. There isn't a person in a severely autistic. Less of a person with a midly autistic. Its just staring and feeling and reacting. Autistic see truth more than normies. There's no hiding the energy cause there's no one to hide it.

Psychologist dont understand that you can not have a sense of self if they did they would see they can not have a self and aren't even real.

They will say this person has a disability when there's no person in that kid to have a disability. Its just a robot reacting to energy. There could be a soul in the body but the soul dosent have an identity on its own.

Hes punching himself in the head cause his mother hates him and he can feel it.

I'm only assuming here because I haven't had the first person experience of severely autistic but autistic is like I will do whatever the energy around me is telling me. If its telling me to hate myself I will if its telling me to love myself I will.

Edited 21 minutes ago by Hojo