US strikes on Iran seemingly imminent

[Jannes]

@Elliott  Okay that point I can understand. 

But if you own a whole country militarily with minimal losses, thats still a show of strength. 

Trump said he would help in Iran. That he backs down now is a bigger show of weakness then loosing a Jet. 

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[Elliott]

46 minutes ago, Jannes said:

@Elliott  Okay that point I can understand. 

But if you own a whole country militarily with minimal losses, thats still a show of strength. 

You have a glamourized view of what a u.s. attack on Iran would look like. Iran is huge and strategically prepared, hence the underground nuclear sites. Why was the u.s. fighting Afghanistan for 20 years, a country with no legitimate military. Iran has the 14th strongest military in the world, Afghanistan 2001 had 50,000 soldiers, one u.s. aircraft carrier has 5,000 sailors. Iran has a million.

There's a specific dynamic being overlooked. The u.s. would be the offender, Iran defender. When you're a defender you have no reason to reserve missiles or jets for instance, Iran has a massive stock pile, they will fire indiscriminately, at ships, bases, everything that moves, they will hit, hence Israel's "Iron Dome" shattering to pieces in a MILD volley. When you're an offender, you're more reserved "China will take taiwan and Phillipines if we deplete or lose equipment, BRICS will take south america, Russia will take the Arctic".

 

 

 

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[LordFall]

This analyzes describes how an attack on Iran would mostly likely mainly involve Israel supported by US military assets. 

[Elliott]

33 minutes ago, LordFall said:

This analyzes describes how an attack on Iran would mostly likely mainly involve Israel supported by US military assets. 

The state of New York did not indict Maduro, nor did Venezuela send drugs to the u.s., they come from Mexico and colombia.

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[Jannes]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

You have a glamourized view of what a u.s. attack on Iran would look like. Iran is huge and strategically prepared, hence the underground nuclear sites. Why was the u.s. fighting Afghanistan for 20 years, a country with no legitimate military. Iran has the 14th strongest military in the world, Afghanistan 2001 had 50,000 soldiers, one u.s. aircraft carrier has 5,000 sailors. Iran has a million.

There's a specific dynamic being overlooked. The u.s. would be the offender, Iran defender. When you're a defender you have no reason to reserve missiles or jets for instance, Iran has a massive stock pile, they will fire indiscriminately, at ships, bases, everything that moves, they will hit, hence Israel's "Iron Dome" shattering to pieces in a MILD volley. When you're an offender, you're more reserved 

Any major basis could just get bombed to the ground by the US and big pieces likes tanks or Jets dont really stand a chance imo but they can loose against Guerilla tactics on the ground. 

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

"China will take taiwan and Phillipines if we deplete or lose equipment, BRICS will take south america, Russia will take the Arctic".

Thats a good point. I cant picture the actual numbers of what recources the US really have. If they wanted to take controll on the ground I am sure they would need to put everything in there and would possibly even loose because they are outnumbered.  

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[Jannes]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

Nice Jets. The US has 2300 of those. 

[Elliott]

25 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Nice Jets. The US has 2300 of those. 

Zero of which can reach Iran without refuelling from inside Iran's missile range(iran will strike all the bases). Home field advantage.

 

 

ABC News

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[Jannes]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Zero of which can reach Iran without refuelling from inside Iran's missile range(iran will strike all those bases). Home field advantage.

Okay, beggs the question if the Air Defense is advanced enough to shoot down the Jets. The B2 bomber could do some tactical bombing of air defense first. 

None of your links work 

[Breakingthewall]

Seems useless any strike from EEUU now. The only way to achieve regime change in Iran is through action by the Iranians themselves. The US and Israel will obviously collaborate if civil war breaks out, but for that to happen, a large sector of the Iranian armed forces would have to rebel, and this doesn't seem possible...so far. Who knows what tricks Israel has up its sleeve?

Yes, yes, Israel should mind its own business and all that, but on the other hand, perhaps 50 years of Islamic clerical dictatorship, where the illiterate rule and those who study emigrate, is enough for a millennia-old culture like Iran's.

[Elliott]

40 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Okay, beggs the question if the Air Defense is advanced enough to shoot down the Jets. The B2 bomber could do some tactical bombing of air defense first. 

None of your links work 

If you're actually interested, i suggest starting with your questions through AI. I'd be happy to talk about it more, but this just seems like we're having a dumb argument about something that's not going to happen.

 

I didn't mean missiles to shoot jets down, I mean to hit the u.s. bases, restricting the jets to air refuelling, a logistical nightmare, fighters fly for 2 hours max, less than 1 hour in combat.

This below is an air defense system, they don't sit still, the houthis use an even smaller one. Iran can actually detect stealth aircraft too. It's not really about advanced anything of irans though, it's mainly the brute missiles, their fighters are just for defense. Bombers are easily shot down by Iran. Then, we're back to your worry about using up our 5million dollar bombs.

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