The New American Food Pyramid

[Jannes]

Whats that food at the buttom left above the line which seperates the grain ? Looks like rice pudding with sour cherry.

[Jannes]

5 hours ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

Also, emphasizing protein does not really address the major public health issues nowadays which are chronic diseases such as CVD, diabetes, obesity, etc. Emphasizing fiber would be more positive IMO.

Fiber is empasized as vegetables and fruits are the base of the diet. I think LEAN proteins should be emphasized for satiety. 

[freddyteisen]

@Jannes  I agree that a pyramid can be too simple, but it helps give a simple visual overview for the average person.

I don't agree that plant protein sources are necessary, since they're not as bioavailable as animal protein and they're high in antinutrients like phytic acid and lectins that prevents your body from absorbing the nutrients.

Soy in particular is high in phytoestrogens which disrupts hormonal balance and can impair testosterone production in men.

[Jannes]

Just now, freddyteisen said:

@Jannes  I agree that a pyramid can be too simple, but it helps give a simple visual overview for the average person.

I don't agree that plant protein sources are necessary, since they're not as bioavailable as animal protein and they're high in antinutrients like phytic acid and lectins that prevents your body from absorbing the nutrients.

Soy in particular is high in phytoestrogens which disrupts hormonal balance and can impair testosterone production in men.

Plant protein sources arent nesseccary but there are also a valid option which isnt represented at all. Its not better to get all of the protein exclusively from animal sources, quite the contrary as legumes in particular are packed with secundary plant compounds. Especially if the doctrine is to consume that much animal protein anyway, the bioavailability will be very high through combination with animal proteins. 

If you prepare legumes well and change them up the antinutrients arent a big deal. They actually have positive effects on health as well. 

[Jannes]

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[PsychedelicEagle]

@freddyteisen

1 hour ago, freddyteisen said:

Saturated fats are essential for the development and long-term health of your body.

Saturated fats are not essential; our bodies are highly efficient at synthesizing their own saturated fat from carbohydrates and proteins (lipogenesis). The fats that are essential are the Omega-3 and Omega-6 fatty acids — both polyunsaturated.

1 hour ago, freddyteisen said:

the source is key. It must come from high quality sources (pasture raised/grass fed)

What you feed the cow modifies their body composition, but at meaningful doses? See this study for example, ratios between Sat-fat and Unsat-fat are roughly the same. The total fat content changes, but overall you're still ingesting more saturates than not. You must therefore limit saturated sources and increase polyunsaturated sources to achieve a better ratio for metabolic health.

Even the new guidelines themselves advise to keep Sat-fat below 10% of caloric intake (and some sources would even argue <5-6%) — try tracking all your food intake with the Cronometer app and see how much of these foods you can consume without surpassing it. The guidelines are self-contradictory in this regard.

1 hour ago, freddyteisen said:

The idea that saturated fat is bad is mostly based on flawed science, such as The 7 Countries Study by Ancel Keys, a study later proved to be false.

This is a common narrative in the carnivore space. I invite you to take a peek outside and look for contrary evidence, with a serious open mind.

Edited 3 hours ago by PsychedelicEagle

[PsychedelicEagle]

23 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Fiber is empasized as vegetables and fruits are the base of the diet. I think LEAN proteins should be emphasized for satiety. 

My point is fiber is not emphasized enough. If you think in terms of food volume, the majority of a healthy diet should be composed of fiber-containing foods. From this POV, fiber-rich foods would dominate the base.

[PsychedelicEagle]

53 minutes ago, Jannes said:

would critique that there is no plant protein source in the Protein section like legumes or soy. Meat is fine but this suggests that its only possible to get protein from meats. Also I dont get why there are all these fatty meats, full fat milk, butter etc. For weight reduction and health you want leaner proteins and fats from plant sources. A bit of fatty meat is okay but it shouldnt be the standard choice as seems to be suggested here.

+1

[Jannes]

2 minutes ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

My point is fiber is not emphasized enough. If you think in terms of food volume, the majority of a healthy diet should be composed of fiber-containing foods. From this POV, fiber-rich foods would dominate the base.

It looks like it has 7 portions of veggies and 7 portions of fruit. Thats really solid. 

If you added more fibre, people would complain that they need to poo 3 times a day. 

[PsychedelicEagle]

36 minutes ago, freddyteisen said:

Soy in particular is high in phytoestrogens which disrupts hormonal balance and can impair testosterone production in men.

In 2021 a technical review studied 417 studies concluding that isoflavones cause no alteration and therefore cannot be classified as endocrine disruptors. I've also had this concern myself years ago, but I've now incorporated soy back into the approach and quite satisfied with it.

Edited 3 hours ago by PsychedelicEagle

[PsychedelicEagle]

5 minutes ago, Jannes said:

If you added more fibre, people would complain that they need to poo 3 times a day. 

I would argue people are pooing too few times a day.

Edited 3 hours ago by PsychedelicEagle

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Jannes said:

Also I dont get why there are all these fatty meats, full fat milk, butter etc. For weight reduction and health you want leaner proteins and fats from plant sources. A bit of fatty meat is okay but it shouldnt be the standard choice as seems to be suggested here. 

If you only eat fatty meat (unless it's like more than 50% fat), you will have problems eating enough because it's so satiating. So the problem is usually not that, but the refined carbs.

[freddyteisen]

@PsychedelicEagle what do you mean pooing few times a day? Pooing once a day is enough.

And no I’m not a carnivore and no I don’t track every calorie down to the smallest detail.

I go by satiety and intuition, eating both meat, fish, rice, potatoes, bone broth, fruits, berries & some veggies here and there, and I’m perfectly healthy.

And Yes saturated fat & cholesterol is crucial, I’m sorry if you have to follow an app & strict guidelines to track everything

and dishonor your body’s signal for things like butter, animal fat, cheese & milk - all of which are some of the most delishious & nutritious foods that we humans naturally crave for a reason.

[Jannes]

7 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

If you only eat fatty meat (unless it's like more than 50% fat), you will have problems eating enough because it's so satiating. So the problem is usually not that, but the refined carbs.

Yeah fatty meat can be quite filling. Some carb sources can be as or even more filling though. Cheese and Eggs arent that filling per calorie, Steak is pretty good. There should be more studies on this: https://jarrellweightmanagementspecialists.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Satiety-Index-of-Foods.pdf

[Jannes]

10 minutes ago, freddyteisen said:

And Yes saturated fat & cholesterol is crucial, I’m sorry if you have to follow an app & strict guidelines to track everything

and dishonor your body’s signal for things like butter, animal fat, cheese & milk - all of which are some of the most delishious & nutritious foods that we humans naturally crave for a reason.

I once made a chocolate with a ton of coconut oil a couple of times when I was like 18 because I thought cocounut oil was a healthy oil. Maybe the only times in my life when I really felt like my heart health was in danger. That much saturated fat isnt good for you, a 18 year old shouldnt feel like he is close before a heart attack. That was my bodies signal. 

[freddyteisen]

@Jannes Ofcourse thats the beauty of the body - you listen to it and you regulate accordingly.

If you’re eating quality real whole foods, the body will naturally signal when you’re full and you won’t overeat.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Improvement.

I wonder if the dairy/meat industry is a player here. 

Why is meat, cheese and dairy right up there with vegetables and above fruit? Oil is easily over eaten. Assuming the higher up, the greater serving size. 

Eggs and fish seem low.