What spiritual teachers actually teach Solipsism

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

That sounds like a kind of solipsism, but only if applied to one.

Throw out Solpsism.  For a minute. Does your mother exist without you imagining or thinking of her? Where does she go when you are making eggs? Are you keeping track of every moment on her side? Would God have to do this? Would he have to do it with air particles? What are they doing?

Edited yesterday at 07:25 AM by Inliytened1

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Throw out Solpsism.  For a minute. Does your mother exist without you imagining or thinking of her? Where does she go when you are making eggs? Are you keeping track of every moment on her side? Would God have to do this? Would he have to do it with air particles? What are they doing?

This gets into what we attribute thing status to, which has to do with ontology.  We seem to attribute thing or this status by an assumption that goes beyond sensation, perception, or even thought.  E.g., we assume we exist even though maya is moving, or that the Moon exists despite the same.

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This gets into what we attribute thing status to, which has to do with ontology.  We seem to attribute thing or this status by an assumption that goes beyond sensation, perception, or even thought.  E.g., we assume we exist even though maya is moving, or that the Moon exists despite the same.

Well what if you don't want to hold a worldview based on assumptions. Thus is born the solipsist. Not me. I am born of what I can see.  I was an athiest for many years before God revealed itself to me.

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[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well what if you don't want to hold a worldview based on assumptions. Thus is born the solipsist. Not me. I am born of what I can see.  I was an arhiest for many years before God revealed itself to me.

I see what people are pointing to with the word God although it's not a word that really resonates with me.  But that shouldn't matter to anyone either.  It's just my preference or bias or whatever.

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I see what people are pointing to with the word God although it's not a word that really resonates with me.  But that shouldn't matter to anyone either.  It's just my preference or bias or whatever.

³God will reveal when ready.  Guarantee you aren't doing the spiritual practices.

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[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

³God will reveal when ready.  Guarantee you aren't doing the spiritual practices.

Okay.

[cistanche_enjoyer]

All enlightened spiritual teachers, including Leo, have realized solipsism. Problem is, most people following them have a huge ego and are lacking love so they will interpret solipsism through their ego and of course it is terrifying/a mindfuck. But when you fully awaken to Love, as very few people do, solipsism is the most beautiful thing there could be. To see it you just have to fully surrender your ego  

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Okay.

As for solipsism its attached to materialism.  To realize that your cousin isn't really out there one would would have to realize that atoms dont make up the universe.  For if they did then their existence could be taking place outside of your direct experience which would make you less than God. 

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[Joseph Maynor]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

As for solipsism its attached to materialism.  To realize that your cousin isn't really out there one would would have to realize that atoms dont make up the universe.  For if they their existence could be taking place outside of your direct experience which would make you less than God. 

This is a good point.  But we need to be careful about reductionism here where we reduce direct experience to a deeper sort of analysis such as quantum physics.  

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

All enlightened spiritual teachers, including Leo, have realized solipsism. Problem is, most people following them have a huge ego and are lacking love so they will interpret solipsism through their ego and of course it is terrifying/a mindfuck. But when you fully awaken to Love, as very few people do, solipsism is the most beautiful thing there could be. To see it you just have to fully surrender your ego  

Love.

Its so interesting.   It was not something I awoken to. And yet - it seems to be the most powerul thing in the universe.  It is so fundamental it didn't seem pertinent.  Just that I was God. There was nothing in my awakenings that screamed out "hey I'm God!"  Or "Hey I'm Love" there was none of that..and yet..it seems that without it there is nothing.

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[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Love.

Its so interesting.   It was not something I awoken to. And yet - it seems to be the most powerul thing in the universe.  It is so fundamental it didn't seem pertinent.  Just that I was God. There was nothing in my awakenings that screamed out "hey I'm God!"  Or "Hey I'm Love" there w as none of that..and yet..

I point to that with Truth or Absolute Truth, so I think we just have different words for the same thing, maybe.  God to me has too many religious connotations, so I avoid the word.  But what it points to is what matters most, I think.

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I point to that with Truth or Absolute Truth, so I think we just have different words for the same thing, maybe.  God to me has too many religious connotations, so I avoid the word.  But what it points to is what matters most, I think.

Indeed. Tell me about your path? If you want.

[cistanche_enjoyer]

One of Leo’s best videos imo. Every time I watch it I get something new out of it.

[LastThursday]

What can be learnt from the idea of solipsism?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

41 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

What can be learnt from the idea of solipsism?

Maybe, where certainty ends.

And responsibility begins...

Does an idea need to be true, to be valuable? 

[Breakingthewall]

48 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

What can be learnt from the idea of solipsism?

A lot. means that the people who proclaim it, instead of a dissolution of centrality, have experienced an inflation of the ego without losing their boundaries, entering a mystical phase in which they believe they are god.

[Xonas Pitfall]

I love how direct Leo is, one could say “actual.”  Most other teachers I’ve stumbled across feel like they fluff up the truth in a way that points in a similar direction but isn’t clear enough. Leo really tries to pinpoint things, which I appreciate a lot.

[LastThursday]

3 hours ago, LastThursday said:

What can be learnt from the idea of solipsism?

Solipsism depends on the unity of experience, yet that unity can’t be established without an external vantage point. From within experience alone, plurality and unity are indistinguishable. And solipsism denies the certainty of an external vantage point.

It seems like solipsism only has the certainty of one experience and experiencer, and everything else it uncertain. But solispism itself can't verify its own claim.

But yes, it's still a useful idea as a basis for good ethical conduct. We should give uncertain things the benefit of the doubt.

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

A lot. means that the people who proclaim it, instead of a dissolution of centrality, have experienced an inflation of the ego without losing their boundaries, entering a mystical phase in which they believe they are god.

No.

It's just a word for what is.  The sensations you feel now. The visual fields the audio. That is the only thing in existence.  You are existence.

[Inliytened1]

9 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Well yeah, it does. 

Have you developed a way to detect enlightenment with certainty? 

 

The real answer to your question is that its very difficult to tell because almost no one is enlightened.   And lets say you are.  There will be very few to none who will be that you would ever meet.  The percentages are frightening.  And as I said in the end its only you that can awaken because you are God. So no one else could describe this to you.   

Its like you waking up then going back into your dream and asking people inside the dream to describe awakening.   Good luck with that.

Edited 21 hours ago by Inliytened1