Can 12 step recovery programs produce true spiritual awakening?

[No1Here2c]

I would like to have investigation into the matter of whether 12 step programs like alcoholics anonymous can produce genuine spiritual awakening. Anybody here have personal experience?

[Hojo]

Some of the steps seem fine. I don't think you have to admit wrong doings or ask for forgiveness. 

Surrendering yourself to higher power seems good and forgiving others and yourself is important but you only have to do it in your own mind.

You can just say my soul is infinitely intelligent when it fucks up it does so on purpose and now it wants to change and I will surrender my life to what its doing and what it has done.

It might not trigger a spiritual awakening that you want. I find when most people surrender to a higher power they just make up that Jesus saves them without having a spiritual experience.

What you are trying to do with forgiveness is to stop schizophrenically attacking yourself and others in your own mind. Everytime a negative thought comes up about you or someone else either say I forgive you or ask the person in your mind to forgive you.

When your mind is saved from all the arguments you will stop thinking. Then God can suck you out.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

Watching cartoons can produce genuine awakening.

That's not the issue. The issue is whether it is efficient, and you can know the answer to that question by just looking at the people in those programs.

Do any of them look or sound Awake to you?

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura