Does anyone know what they are talking about?

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is what I might take issue with.  There is no ... and It's just ....  Concepts are just [blah blah].  In this case noise but always something negative.

Noise is not a negative thing. It can be when you’re trying to get some peace, noise can be annoying.

Noise is a very positive thing as well, especially for the physical animal, that we are, it helps us detect the presence of predators. It’s all just a matter of perspective and proper context usage. 
I’m actually surprised you are struggling with the negative aspect of mind, seeing that you talk about the Yin/ Yang nature of the mind a lot on YouTube. 

Do you prefer there be only one side of the coin?

 

[Mellowmarsh]

51 minutes ago, James123 said:

That's how much important our beliefs, opinions or these sentences are 😂 

Yes. 👍 

[Joseph Maynor]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Noise is not a negative thing. It can be when you’re trying to get some peace, noise can be annoying.

Noise is a very positive thing as well, especially for the physical animal, that we are, it helps us detect the presence of predators. It’s all just a matter of perspective and proper context usage. 
I’m actually surprised you are struggling with the negative aspect of mind, seeing that you talk about the Yin/ Yang nature of the mind a lot on YouTube. 

Do you prefer there be only one side of the coin?

 

But it was you who said concepts are just noise not me.

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

And this resonates with you why?

Because a you that thinks it owns thoughts and feelings will soon find out it doesn’t own them. 
The opposite is true, the thoughts and feelings usually end up owning you. Thoughts are temporary and transient, free to come and go, they can’t be possessed or owned. If you truly love something you have to allow it unconditionally freedom to be and let it go.

No thing owns you, you are freedom on every level. You can be aware of feelings no matter what they are, they come and go uninvited, you cannot just magically invite a feeling of your preference and expect it to stay. No thought or feeling is ever obliged to hang out with you at costa for a coffee.
 

 

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

8 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

But it was you who said concepts are just noise not me.

But it was you who said negative not me.

[James123]

37 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Can you explain this another way, I'm not understanding.

Simply look at these words but do not try to understand, simply look.

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

But it was you who said negative not me.

33 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Concepts are just noise within the peace, the peace that passes all understanding.

 

[Mellowmarsh]

@Joseph Maynor Peace is the natural self. 
 

Noise isn’t negative, it’s just another dopamine hit for the body. 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

Non- violence is violence.

 

 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

@Joseph Maynor Peace is the natural self. 
 

Noise isn’t negative, it’s just another dopamine hit for the body. 

Another application of the "X is just Y" move.  Concepts are just a dopamine hit for the body?  

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Another application of the "X is just Y" move.  Concepts are just a dopamine hit for the body?  

Yes, the conceptual realm is very important to you. It’s where you spend your allotted time until light goes out, when the known turns into the unknowable. 
 

Now answer the question, is the friendly relation to mind, applied only to just your mind,  or is that friendly relation extended to other minds too? 
 

Is there just your mind only, or is there other minds too?

[Joseph Maynor]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, the conceptual realm is very important to you. It’s where you spend your allotted time until light goes out, when the known turns into the unknowable. 
 

Now answer the question, is the friendly relation to mind, applied only to just your mind,  or is that friendly relation extended to other minds too? 
 

Is there just your mind only, or is there other minds too?

I kinda feel like this is what you do, but you're projecting this onto me.  You might examine this reaction and look for shadow issues here.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Joseph Maynor

[Mellowmarsh]

15 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I kinda feel like this is what you do, but you're projecting this onto me.  You might examine this reaction and look for shadow issues here.

 

You’re the one who mentioned the word dissociation not me.

 

You need to take a look in your own mirror. See just how open you really are to relationship. 
From what I’ve seen, you’re pretty closed off, actually. So you do you as they say. 

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You’re the one who mentioned the word dissociation not me.

 

You need to take a look in your own mirror. See just how open you really are to relationship. 
From what I’ve seen, you’re pretty closed off, actually. So you do you as they say. 

You seem really triggered.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

With "Not Knowing", when You genuinely know You do not Know, what happens is our natural curiosity and intelligence within Us begins to work overtime.. Right Now most People think they Know, they think they know what life is (situations, relationships, stuff they buy, experiences they had), what the meaning of life is (have a family, make money, go on trips, etc) and this sort of stuff, plus with tech today, AI, ppl can ask chtgpt what something is and it will tell You, but that is not real knowing..but ppl think they know so their intelligence and curiosity is turned OFF..

When you know You do not know Experientially, it turns back On, You now have endless energy and are totally alert to What Is, and then true knowing is available to You, this is not intellectual knowing, book stuff, its Experiential knowing, a connection with Life itself which is what You are, then life opens up to more Possibilities!

Experiential knowing is simply one with the knowing that you already are, there’s no disconnect or dissociation there.

The sensation of hunger appears, the body automatically moves toward food. There’s no disconnect or resistance there, there’s simply immediate action and auto-response, in the same context one removes their hand from fire instantly, there’s no one thinking about whether to move hand from fire or not, the action is immediate.

When you assume disconnect or dissociation is there in others, explain how you would know that? Do you ever know what you are talking about when you are assuming you know others?

You’ve also mentioned in your assumed assessment of what you are reading here, is that two people are in denial of reality,

That’s assumption, not reality.

I’m pushing assumptions right back to where they belong, in the garbage bin.

 

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

34 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

You seem really triggered.

Wrong, I’m just observing some truth that you seem to want to dismiss. 
You seem reluctant to answer simple questions. So be it. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Ishanga]

20 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Experiential knowing is simply one with the knowing that you already are, there’s no disconnect or dissociation there.

The sensation of hunger appears, the body automatically moves toward food. There’s no disconnect or resistance there, there’s simply immediate action and auto-response, in the same context one removes their hand from fire instantly, there’s no one thinking about whether to move hand from fire or not, the action is immediate.

When you assume disconnect or dissociation is there in others, explain how you would know that? Do you ever know what you are talking about when you are assuming you know others?

 

You’ve also mentioned in your assumed assessment of what you are reading here, is that two people are in denial of reality,

That’s assumption, not reality.

I’m pushing assumptions right back to where they belong, in the garbage bin.

 

 

 

Everything here is a sort of assumption, which is the same as saying it is all a story being told, now depending on the skill of the storyteller, the ppl reading it will either understand it well or not understand it well.. 

They say that with in person contact and communication most of it is thru body language, we pick up visual ques as to what the person is meaning, that is all gone when it is done this way via the written word and thru forums like this, that is why nothing here is really important or valuable, because we don't really understand one another, we just share stories back and forth, maybe it inspires someone maybe not.

At the least I can somewhat explain the concept, or attempt too, James123 does not do this, you don't either really, just reply with responses that are vague and need more questions asked to find out what it meant in the first place...

Problem is we are too attached and identified with our mind and intellect, ppl believe words actually mean something and are of great great value, they are in way but nothing beats person to person contact and relationship and knowing that way.. 

So if it is all garbage which I sort of agree with, then why we all post so much? Well its fun sometimes and entertaining, at least for Me:)

Edited 6 hours ago by Ishanga

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Everything here is a sort of assumption, which is the same as saying it is all a story being told, now depending on the skill of the storyteller, the ppl reading it will either understand it well or not understand it well.. 

They say that with in person contact and communication most of it is thru body language, we pick up visual ques as to what the person is meaning, that is all gone when it is done this way via the written word and thru forums like this, that is why nothing here is really important or valuable, because we don't really understand one another, we just share stories back and forth, maybe it inspires someone maybe not.

Problem is we are too attached and identified with our mind and intellect, ppl believe words actually mean something and are of great great value, they are in way but nothing beats person to person contact and relationship and knowing that way.. 

So if it is all garbage which I sort of agree with, then why we all post so much? Well its fun sometimes and entertaining, at least for Me:)

@Ishanga Just out of curiosity. You have assumed James and I are in denial of reality.

Do you happen to know of any other people posting on this forum who are also in denial of reality?

Or, is it just James and myself?  
 

Do you think that’s a very weird and strange claim to make, or are you 💯 % absolutely certain beyond all reasonable doubt and error it’s a correct and accurate claim? Or, can you be wrong, are you willing to be wrong? 
 

We post for the joy of sharing, no one is being forced to believe anything that’s written. Take what’s of value and reject what isn’t. There’s no need to overthink anything. Take or leave, is my motto, anyway. It’s not difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, is it? 
 

Isn’t that why people are drawn to this particular forum in the first place, no?

[tuku747]

I think it's possible to know that it's probably Infinite.  But how much of the Infinite Universe do we actually understand? It will always be relatively none in comparison. There will always be an eternity of learning ahead of us.

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

but nothing beats person to person contact and relationship and knowing that way.. 

Do you honestly believe James and I don’t already know that?

 

That aside, don’t forget this is a forum for discussing meta-cognition as well as ordinary person to person contact and relationship.

 

No one is denying reality here.