Does anyone know what they are talking about?

[Joseph Maynor]

I majored in philosophy in college and it surprises me the hatred of philosophy in some spiritual people.  It's like someone hates what you love, it's really hard to fathom.  I guess every person has their pet-peeve.  What you love dearly, someone else may hate and even deem evil.  I just can't imagine living a life without my experience with philosophy.  I feel like the mind and body do not have a strict duality and both need to be watered so to speak.

[VeganAwake]

12 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

We can’t land on having no place to land. 

Well who said anything about landing?

The needy self illusion never gets satisfied. If it ever feels satisfied/grounded, its only temporary. Give it some time.......it will always find something else to need.

Thats its entire operating system ♻️ satisfied unsatisfied satisfied unsatisfied satisfied unsatisfied

It's a survival strategy of something that's not actually real 😳

[Ponder]

6 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Yes but they are very limited, if reading books was all it took then we would all be Enlightened which is not the case, but to each their own.. We are already Enlightened, that is not the issue, are You conscious of it?.. Are You conscious of even all the actions taking place in your Emotions? If not then being Conscious of Your Enlightenment is not happening..

By the definition of 0 suffering, I am in fact enlightened. You can believe me or not, makes no difference to me mate. 

Edited Thursday at 08:21 PM by Ponder

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I majored in philosophy in college and it surprises me the hatred of philosophy in some spiritual people.  It's like someone hates what you love, it's really hard to fathom.  I guess every person has their pet-peeve.  What you love dearly, someone else may hate and even deem evil.  I just can't imagine living a life without my experience with philosophy.  I feel like the mind and body do not have a strict duality and both need to be watered so to speak.

I am not sure how one has a clear understanding of truth and spirituality without some solid philosophy.

I can see how philosophy might feel abstract, disconnected and pull one into mistaking cleverness for wisdom - that whole 'circle without landing' effect. They (spirituality/philosophy) have always gone hand in hand for me - a healthy feedback loop. Philosophy sharpens discernment & direct experience tests philosophy. Each keeps the other honest.

It keeps one in check from just rolling with 'this feels profound!' and pushes us into 'this actually holds up'. Philosophy does all the unglamorous work clarifying terms, coherence. Helping to separate insight from suggestion and can really help ground our experience into something to be examined.

I make no comment on academic philosophy here though  

I can hear all the spiritual retorts now... 'That is not it!' 'More concepts - throw them away'

Philosophy / spirituality in are in relationship for me in my process. Wake up, clean up !

[Mellowmarsh]

10 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Well who said anything about landing?

The needy self illusion never gets satisfied. If it ever feels satisfied/grounded, its only temporary. Give it some time.......it will always find something else to need.

Thats its entire operating system ♻️ satisfied unsatisfied satisfied unsatisfied satisfied unsatisfied

It's a survival strategy of something that's not actually real 😳

I agree. 
 

Brain is wired for survival purposes only. The brain being the body seeks the path of least resistance, the body cares only for equilibrium and peaceful rest. Not designed for figuring out the reasons why everything exists, or trying to solve what will always remain a mystery, ie the original spark that triggered the whole process into gear.

 

The knower being equally the known, meaning there’s no known beginning or end to anything. So is unknowable even to itself, meaning, yes, nothing ever happened.

[Mellowmarsh]

17 hours ago, Ishanga said:

If nobody knows shit, how do You know this?

The problem is not that, its purely a matter of ideology blinding ppl, and ego attachment..no one really reads what others are saying, they just reply instantly to state their case...ego bias for sure...

How do you know you know? How do you know you don’t know?

You know you know, and don’t know, but you don’t know HOW you know and don’t know.
 

Asking HOW is like asking a living tree ( how are you? ) 

 

[Ramasta9]

https://egreenway.com/taoism/ttclz56.htm

[Mellowmarsh]

15 hours ago, James123 said:

Only nothing can help you.

😂 

[Mellowmarsh]

[Mellowmarsh]

You don’t know anything.

 

All you are is a label signifying the unknown as known.

 

Problem is, the known knows nothing, and the menu is not the food. 
 

Can you live with that? 
 

With God everything is already perfect perfection, so just relax, don’t do it, you’re being done, you’re done, you’re already dead. Cooked to perfection. 
 

😋 🤤 Yum me.

[Joseph Maynor]

55 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You don’t know anything.

 

All you are is a label signifying the unknown as known.

 

Problem is, the known knows nothing, and the menu is not the food. 
 

Can you live with that? 
 

With God everything is already perfect perfection, so just relax, don’t do it, you’re being done, you’re done, you’re already dead. Cooked to perfection. 
 

😋 🤤 Yum me.

Why isn't it I don't know anything.  It's you don't know anything?  It seems like a projection or reaction maybe.  

[Mellowmarsh]

24 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Why isn't it I don't know anything.  It's you don't know anything?  It seems like a projection or reaction maybe.  

The knower never claims it’s knowing.

That doesn’t negate knowing, knowing is one with the knowing.

 

It’s not an I or a “someone “ who knows. There’s only not-knowing knowledge.

 

The I or a “someone” is already this immediate unclaimed known. The knower being equal to the known.

 

This knowing cannot be found / claimed, no more than a beloved pet can be found in a meat market.

 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The knower never claims it’s knowing.

That doesn’t negate knowing, knowing is one with the knowing.

 

It’s not an I or a “someone “ who knows. There’s only not-knowing knowledge.

 

The I or a “someone” is already this immediate unclaimed known. The knower being equal to the known.

 

This knowing cannot be found / claimed, no more than a beloved pet can be found in a meat market.

 

 

This is a kind of @Nahm style point.  It's interesting that you two disagreed.  

[Mellowmarsh]

17 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is a kind of @Nahm style point.  It's interesting that you two disagreed.  

It’s different that’s all. Same difference.

[Mellowmarsh]

20 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is a kind of @Nahm style point.  It's interesting that you two disagreed.  

It’s also interesting how the mind is the ever changing mirror.

It’s like one minute you’re there, the next minute, poof! 
 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

13 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It’s also interesting how the mind is the ever changing mirror.

It’s like one minute you’re there, the next minute, poof! 
 

 

Yeah, because there is no you, right?  This follows from the theory that's accepted.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Why isn't it I don't know anything.  It's you don't know anything?  

Because the I is known. The You is the same I known.

There’s no requirement to know, to be. Being is unclaimed. 
 

If you say you know, that’s just unclaimed being claiming being. 
 

 

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Yeah, because there is no you, right?  This follows from the theory that's accepted.

There’s a you, but this you is an actor. Yes, the actor can pull off it’s role as a good actor in this movie called I 

If the actor doesn’t take itself seriously then the audience might lose interest and walk out of the movie theatre.

 

 

 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

I feel like the "there is no you" thing comes from people who have a very distant relation with other people on some level, not entirely.

Edited 1 hour ago by Joseph Maynor

[Mellowmarsh]

10 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I feel like the "there is no you" thing comes from people who have a very distant relation with other people on some level,, not entirely.

Maybe for some, but not for me, coming from my own direct experience.

For me.. It’s the silent presence of others that resonates with me the most, and how they carry themselves without saying a word. What comes out of their mouths is just noise, even hearing the words “I love you”  hurts my ears.

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Mellowmarsh