Truth

[Someone here]

You guys feel good and intelligent and "nuanced " when you gang up on him ? I agree that this is always the same pointless discussion over and over again between radical neo advaita and "well we are still some human chimps on earth though" ..

If you are actually aware of this then stop correcting him ..or do his words shatter your reality ? He is talking from nondual consciousness and you guys are talking from dual common sense consciousness of separation or maya or matrix.  It is never going to fit together..so you are NOT being so "Einsteinical" about it when you point out loopholes in his message ..because he is speaking nonduality. There is In fact no you And no me and no "things " or anything you "think " that exists . But still for the pragmatics of keeping your dream inside this world you gotta "get real " and say "yeah but I'm just a human chimp and this stuff is just philosophy and mental masturbation ". But it isn't. 

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You guys feel good and intelligent and "nuanced " when you gang up on him ? I agree that this is always the same pointless discussion over and over again between radical neo advaita and "well we are still some human chimps on earth though" ..

If you are actually aware of this then stop correcting him 

I see it as more of a dance.  @James123 is a good guy.  But if you enter the dance, you gotta expect to.

[Someone here]

@Joseph Maynor dance ? All I'm reading is "I'm right and the entire world is deluded".

James is actually conscious of some well earned Truth ..otherwise I don't see why would he have such consistent message revolving around the same basic points. 

It's like he's saying "guys it's so simple ...NOTHING".

And you guys "no it must be infinitely complicated than that .if proplems don't exist then let's invent imaginary proplems ".

Edited 9 hours ago by Someone here

[Joseph Maynor]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Joseph Maynor dance ? All I'm reading is "I'm right and the entire world is deluded".

This just is the dance.

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You guys feel good and intelligent and "nuanced " when you gang up on him ? I agree that this is always the same pointless discussion over and over again between radical neo advaita and "well we are still some human chimps on earth though" ..

If you are actually aware of this then stop correcting him ..or do his words shatter your reality ? He is talking from nondual consciousness and you guys are talking from dual common sense consciousness of separation or maya or matrix.  It is never going to fit together..so you are NOT being so "Einsteinical" about it when you point out loopholes in his message ..because he is speaking nonduality. There is In fact no you And no me and no "things " or anything you "think " that exists . But still for the pragmatics of keeping your dream inside this world you gotta "get real " and say "yeah but I'm just a human chimp and this stuff is just philosophy and mental masturbation ". But it isn't. 

Pointless.

 

The whole point of an illusion is for the illusion to not be seen through so that the game is humanly playable.

 

Yes,  once the illusion is seen through, there’s no returning to the game of pretence. But then something more incredible happens, people become more real, more compassionate, more capable of endurance, able to face the cold hard truth of the illusion head on without fear or resentment. No more trying to be someone they are not, rather just being absolutely authentic and real without the need for external approval, and people are attracted to that kind of self confidence. .it gives them hope and reminds them of their own inner strength.

Once the sense of selfish self dissolves, all that’s left to do is to offer service to others. Or you might just decide to quit the game entirely and live as a solo hermit for the rest of your life. The choice to be or not to be is yours, ultimately.

 

 

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The whole point of an illusion is for the illusion to not be seen through so that the game is humanly playable.

What should this mean in God's world ? You still need to be schooled on basic radical neo advaita stuff ? You think "the only thing that is this is that because that must be thus or never and only this "..its all gibberish nonsense. Get the cosmic joke already. 

[Mellowmarsh]

15 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This just is the dance.

Yes, indeed, it takes two to tango. 
 

A play is pointless without an audience to enjoy it, or throw rotten tomatoes at it, that’s the point of the illusion, is to veil, to fool and to con, but only for it’s own entertainment only.

Edited 8 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[James123]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The frame is undeniably Neo-Advaita based on context (you do talk about the non-existence of self a lot), but we can reduce it to apophatic theology (speaking about God using negations) if you like, but that assumes you're indeed talking about God or something divine beyond intellectual comprehension. But if you also want to object to even that, then maybe it's just absolute/radical skepticism.

Regardless of the particular frame, my frame is challenging the need to stick to just one frame. There are also other forms of Advaita, or Westernized academic forms of idealism; there is cataphatic theology; there is realism, pragmatism, meta-theorism. You can say very similar things with these different frames. Hence also in some cases, disagreements may not be actual disagreements, just disagreements in how to state the same things.

And that is very often what I see, where disagreements are simply at level of frame, not at the level of substance, and where there is no desire to connect beyond frame, being open, honest, seeking and generous, instead closing down and defending, asking "questions" performatively, feigning incredulousness, ironically placing so much importance on your exact words, wording, phrasing, choices of framework, when in fact your substantial point, is beyond that.

My brother No. non existence or existence, Muslim, christian, neo Adviata, Adviata are still belief. Belongs to mind and body.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

What should this mean in God's world ? You still need to be schooled on basic radical neo advaita stuff ? You think "the only thing that is this is that because that must be thus or never and only this "..its all gibberish nonsense. Get the cosmic joke already. 

It means whatever you want it to mean. I’d already transcended the illusion of separation at the age of 6/7 years old, it was a spontaneous awakening, and long before I ever picked up a book of esoteric knowledge for the very first time. 
 

Each to their own, don’t ever tell me how to think this one through, please, thankyou. 

[James123]

2 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

How many do you feel you have actually helped and lead tho my friend? These posts seem to stir more chaos and confusion than clarity and order.

Maybe there is something there that may being overlooked. I tell ya, Nahm and his forum, is not a good place, its a type of virus that segregates.

I've seen people go in there and come out more messed up then they began, why? because there is no true solid ground in the teachings.

Its purely surface / head level, the (whole) is missing, the human is missing, the body is missing.

I'd say, choose one forums and stick with it. Why are you playing ping-pong ? 

 

 

 

 

 

I have helped many. 

Writing on 10 forums? What makes it different, it is just writing in forum.

If you make an assumption as writing on different forums that's what ego or attachment to body and mind.

When one's realize that his / her entire personality is based on these beliefs and experiences, one dissolves.

[Someone here]

15 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

it takes two to tango.

And how many to Salsa ?

[Ramasta9]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

I have helped many. 

Writing on 10 forums? What makes it different, it is just writing in forum.

If you make an assumption as writing on different forums that's what ego or attachment to body and mind.

When one's realize that his / her entire personality is based on these beliefs and experiences, one dissolves.

I only say that cause I feel its confusing you further. So your posts come out more 'scattered' than affective. Which results in such responses.

This is what I kept saying to Phil, the idea is not flawed, its the delivery, the way its delivered, the timing, its an art-form, a dance, lesser a radio.

This is why i say, if you sit with your realizations longer and deeper, you will be able to deliver them better, because they have had more time and space to become embodied and integrated, and often a lot of the "junk" is cleared out in this process, which helps deliver a clearer message.

I respect your attempt to help out, i just feel its often not landing too well because its still a freshly made brew and hasn't brewed long enough.

 

[Someone here]

@Ramasta9 quit badmouthing Nahm .you are nowhere close to him .his writing is more accurate than a knife .I've never seen such accuracy in contemplating direct experience exactly "as is" than what he does. 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It might be worth asking 'what is really at stake?'

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

I only say that cause I feel its confusing you further. So your posts come out more 'scattered' than affective. Which results in such responses.

This is what I kept saying to Phil, the idea is not flawed, its the delivery, the way its delivered, the timing, its an art-form, a dance, lesser a radio.

This is why i say, if you sit with your realizations longer and deeper, you will be able to deliver them better, because they have had more time and space to become embodied and integrated, and often a lot of the "junk" is cleared out in this process, which helps deliver a clearer message.

I respect your attempt to help out, i just feel its often not landing too well because its still a freshly made brew and hasn't brewed long enough.

 

Which belief or assumption does above come from? Investigate that.

It is not embodying, it is living the body and mind alone.

 

[Ramasta9]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Ramasta9 quit badmouthing Nahm .you are nowhere close to him .his writing is more accurate than a knife .I've never seen such accuracy in contemplating direct experience exactly "as is" than what he does. 

 

ALL HORSESHIT M8

[Joseph Maynor]

This just is the dance lol.

[Mellowmarsh]

10 minutes ago, James123 said:

My brother No. non existence or existence, Muslim, christian, neo Adviata, Adviata are still belief. Belongs to mind and body.

Mind body is what you are. This is just obviously irrefutable. Now you are aware of yourself, you can use the power of memory, you can remember the time before you became aware of yourself. Your language in the form of concepts was your conception?
Ask yourself what were you before human conceptual language? Answer that question without using human conceptual language, okay. 👍 

Mind and body is all there is, in this conception. A conceived conception is what you are right here and now. There’s no way to unconceive this conception, once the genie is out of the bottle, there’s no way back to the nothingness prior to knowledge in this conception, not now you have awakened to the truth.

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, Someone here said:

And how many to Salsa ?

Semantics. 
 

Not interested. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Now hug. Everyone