Obama on why men fall into red pill and are struggling

[Hezbollah]

2 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

inherently self hating, self sabotaging ideology

Ther's no saving us sadly

[Alexop]

@NewKidOnTheBlock Most feminists are women, so they have a hard time understanding men's problems. Menism can help men and I advocate for healthy men's movement not for eradication of feminism.

100 years ago women were not allowed to vote, they were seen almost like sub-humans. Of course feminism helped society. 

Edited 21 hours ago by Alexop

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

4 minutes ago, Alexop said:

@NewKidOnTheBlock Most feminists are women, so they have a hard time understanding men's problems. Menism can help men and I advocate for healthy men's movement not for eradication of feminism.

100 years ago women were not allowed to vote, they were seen almost like sub-humans. Of course feminism helped society. 

I'm not advocating for that either. I just don't want to be their ally or whatever

[Alexop]

Just now, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I'm not advocating for that either. I just don't want to be their ally or whatever

Ok

[Hezbollah]

1 hour ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I'm not advocating for that either. I just don't want to be their ally or whatever

I guess thats too late mrs whiteknight

[Natasha Tori Maru]

19 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Feminism is synanomous with misandry nowadays, if you as a woman uncritically believe everything feminists will preach, then the logical outcome of that will be misandry.

There has traditionally has been 'waves' of feminism as it has evolved - the modern phrasing you are using (which I consider an abortion of the term) is really a smuggled in version of misandry or 'toxic femininity'.

This weird toxic femininity is really just misandry.

And because there have been different waves of feminism and its forms is precisely WHY I consider misandry the proper term. Over even 'toxic femininity'.

It's just more accurate and leads to less confusion. 

A lot of the misandry/toxic femininity seems to have the aim of wanting to straight sterilize and castrate men >.<

[Ulax]

On 08/12/2025 at 5:34 PM, Spiral said:

He is clever, I’ll give him that. Framing men/boys issues as issues for women/girls is effective. Even if a it’s bit sad.

Agreed!

[Alexop]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 A lot of the misandry/toxic femininity seems to have the aim of wanting to straight sterilize and castrate men >.<

I think there are toxic feminist groups that unconsciously push for the cultural castration of men. They push this last resort because they have no clue what is wrong with them, why are they so aggressive and abusive. 

Sadly they will realize that by castrating their masculinity, some of them become even more toxic and aggressive. The last thing you want to meet is a sick, hungry and wounded bear. It might look less capable of inflicting wounds, but actually there is a higher chance it will attack you compared to a healthy, well fed bear.

They only way out of toxic masculinity is healthy masculinity. Not transforming men into some silly scared boys. They should focus on their female issue and teach women how to be women and let men fix men. Although Teal is a woman and knows quite a bit about men.

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Alexop 🎯

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

There has traditionally has been 'waves' of feminism as it has evolved - the modern phrasing you are using (which I consider an abortion of the term) is really a smuggled in version of misandry or 'toxic femininity'.

This weird toxic femininity is really just misandry.

And because there have been different waves of feminism and its forms is precisely WHY I consider misandry the proper term. Over even 'toxic femininity'.

It's just more accurate and leads to less confusion. 

A lot of the misandry/toxic femininity seems to have the aim of wanting to straight sterilize and castrate men >.<

That's all very nice and everything, but where has this misandry/supposed toxic feminity come from? It for sure didn't come out of nowhere. Where were these misandrists in the more distant past, before the 3d wave feminism I wonder, because there seem to be no traces of them.

Also, I've never mentioned anything about those who want to castrate men, that's a very niche group compared to the group I'm talking about, and they all conglomorate online so ultimately who cares about them. The group I'm talking about is much larger and is propped up by mainstream narrative, because everything progressive must be positive of course. And like I said, it spreads a much more subtle form of disdain towards men. Automatic non cooperation in relationships, complete lack of trust, deliberate ignorance towards anything having to do with men (because they don't care to understand), a certain kind of snarkiness and subtle meanness, a certain kind of entitlement, etc. Ofc, again, all of these traits can be experienced in regular relationships as well in which feminism isn't even mentioned. But everything from the 3d wave onwards is fueling these

[Natasha Tori Maru]

20 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Also, I've never mentioned anything about those who want to castrate men, that's a very niche group compared to the group I'm talking about, and they all conglomorate online so ultimately who cares about them. The group I'm talking about is much larger and is propped up by mainstream narrative, because everything progressive must be positive of course. And like I said, it spreads a much more subtle form of disdain towards men. Automatic non cooperation in relationships, complete lack of trust, deliberate ignorance towards anything having to do with men (because they don't care to understand), a certain kind of snarkiness and subtle meanness, a certain kind of entitlement, etc. Ofc, again, all of these traits can be experienced in regular relationships as well in which feminism isn't even mentioned. But everything from the 3d wave onwards is fueling these

I sort of mean castrating men as a metaphor for removing core healthy masculinity in this frame - encapsulating basically what you describe in the last paragraph. Not like, literal castration lol. I think you have returned to looking at possible solutions - I was just pointing out the blatant misandry that wasn't what feminism really is.

I think this is the pendulum swinging the other way post feminism and women in general resisting men's rights also emerging too wantonly; almost as a fear response like it's going to go back to no rights for women etc. And given how women's core issues surround security and fear they are blowing it WAY out of proportion - overreaching with their 'rights', and in the process, stomping on men in a negative way. 

I don't think it's as intentional as you - some so for sure. But I think most of it is literally unconscious stupidity and not thinking about the consequences of what they propose/do/say. Myopic ignorance hurting others.

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

As an example this:

Fucken busted in many ways - the girls here are actually taking offence to men 'opening a door' for them; the men call it a basic helping kindness, the girls call it 'telling me I cannot do it on my own and need a man to do it'

That is a result of engaging in way too much online rhetoric, women engaging in misandry/toxic feminity and masquerading as feminism.

It's like the girls on this clip are dry retching at any show of healthy masculinity. Anyway, any women feel free to step in with their opinions; I do not feel a victim of men or masculinity and do not align with any of their rhetoric. I have also never faced sexual assault so I cannot speak to that. I have been psychologically tortured and physically assaulted by a man (put in hospital with permanent injury), but despite this, I still do not operate from fear or a need to 'protect myself from men'. I do not see myself as a victim. 

I think modern women still see themselves as 'victims' of the patriarchy and men... But that is over lol... I am sorry but they need to get over it. I am pretty harsh with this I know. And I only raise my personal story as what I experienced STILL did not lead me to any of the sorts of mindsets these women have.

I think it's too much online rhetoric and not enough focus on shit that matters. People need to stop making it men vs women. It doesn't help when men react in a polarised way to this topic, just as it doesn't help for women to react this way also.

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[Alexop]

@Natasha Tori Maru tragic to hear what happened to you, and you show that healing is possible. Unfortunately from what i notice, most women who experienced sexual assault will never completely heal. So we have to treat it seriously. I dated a french girl who got raped 10 years ago, still cannot have a healthy relationship. She will be forever stuck in rejecting masculine men, because they trigger her wounds. She told me that she is so sick of soyboys but she still gets drawned to them because she needs to have the situation under control. 

In Sweden, I would say the cultural patriarchy is over. In the business and job environment, masculinity still is the norm, because you cannot be soft in this dog eat dog competitive environment. And the economy is global.

Edited 2 hours ago by Alexop

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Alexop Powerful anecdote - I am sorry to hear about your friend lady

Sexual assault is one thing I have never experienced. I have to remind myself often that some people never heal from hard experiences. Whether due to lack of resources (therapy), bad environment, or just plain strength of will. I have always been on the extreme end of high resilience to hardships that arise. And ensured I never held a 'group' (ie men) responsible for the actions of just one bad apple.

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[Alexop]

Just started to watch the debate, the black woman is not understanding masculinity vs femininity. I had debates with such people, very intelligent people, but brainwashed into this samness shit. they just have to be ignored. In the same way we ignore people who promote slavery. It is just wrong, you have no clue of what you're talking about. What can I tell you more lol. They will recontextualize and interpret what you say how they want. They will come with that classic "yea but it is cultural, nothing too biological" etc.

The outcomes show the real world. And the people who believe in that samness nonsense, they are probably single or in a dysfunctional relationship. Or they cannot meet the man they unconsciously desire. Because guess what: there are not too many of them.

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[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@Natasha Tori Maru I can agree that it doesn't help when me as a man reacts to this in a polarized way either, I liked how you worded that, however, when my senses are confronted with worldviews such as these and I choose to respond, I essentially can't react in any other way except in polarized way, because agreeing with it is unacceptable. The second best choice possible is to ignore it and not feel responsible because some men did X, Z and Y. The best choice is to do that + focus on fixing my own weaknesses and be responsible for my own life of course. But I mean, it's ridicilous, just imagine walking throught the world acting and thinking the way these 3d wave feminists would want you lol. Walk on the other side of the street buddy! Don't manspread buddy! Always ask for consent like a robot buddy!

[Spiral]

I think as long as we compare, we won’t get anywhere. We want a society were woman are happy to have kids and men gladly protect.

Not every man and every woman,  but generally. That’s not really the case in many places.