Obama on why men fall into red pill and are struggling

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[Spiral]

He is clever, I’ll give him that. Framing men/boys issues as issues for women/girls is effective. Even if a it’s bit sad.

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6 minutes ago, Spiral said:

He is clever, I’ll give him that. Framing men/boys issues as issues for women/girls is effective. Even if a it’s bit sad.

Thanks for the reply. Yes it's sad he has to mention that if a large portion of the population is depressed and angry (either men or women) it's bad for everyone. This should be obvious.

 

Edited Monday at 05:41 PM by enchanted

[Schizophonia]

Idealistic nullity. 

Socializing requires time and money; and then there is learned helplessness.

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10 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Idealistic nullity. 

Socializing requires time and money; and then there is learned helplessness.

Interesting perspective.

It should be called "taught" helplessness in my opinion. Our emotionally and intellectually distant adults are teaching our kids how to be similar themselves. 

[Hojo]

Its like they tell men you can be whatever you want! Okay what about this? But not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy.

Like why didnt you just set up a structure or something if you wanted something specifically. Thats why men throw the chess table over.

And the media strategically pushes Andrew tate to pick them up and tell them what to be when they throw the chess table over. There is absolutely no reason Andrew tate and the wannabes should be known except by the news talking about him. He was pushed by the news for like 2 years when he is a no one. Hes not a politician has no power and is just there as an evil push on humanity to corrupt them.

This is done on purpose by someone its strategic maliciousness.

Fuck Obama too he was the president and should have seen this. Poor governing by all leaders. Obama can virtue signal after the fact when he could have done something about it. This was still going on during his governance. Hes part of this nonesense. Hes a part of the reason men fell into red pill and part of the reason Trump is president.

Part of being president is to know whats going on with the people and to help change it and he just turned a blind eye like every other leader. This is literally the biggest issue in USA right now and he didnt do anything to govern the people in the right direction. He was too focused on making himself look like a saint.

This is why I say when you are president you should live in the shit with everyone else. You shouldnt be given a palace, you shouldnt get paid. It should be a duty not a job, a sacrifice for better. If you are president and people vote that their lives are not better ( not monetarily but spiritually ) (A government should be in charge of the people spiritually, not religious but in terms of how good they feel with themselves)you should be put on a sacrificial plate and given to the Gods.

USA specifically treats their elections like an episode of Jerry Springer. And thats what they are currently getting in return.

Edited Monday at 06:50 PM by Hojo

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1 hour ago, Hojo said:

Its like they tell men you can be whatever you want! Okay what about this? But not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy,this? not that bad boy.

Like why didnt you just set up a structure or something if you wanted something specifically. Thats why men throw the chess table over.

And the media strategically pushes Andrew tate to pick them up and tell them what to be when they throw the chess table over. There is absolutely no reason Andrew tate and the wannabes should be known except by the news talking about him. He was pushed by the news for like 2 years when he is a no one. Hes not a politician has no power and is just there as an evil push on humanity to corrupt them.

This is done on purpose by someone its strategic maliciousness.

Fuck Obama too he was the president and should have seen this. Poor governing by all leaders. Obama can virtue signal after the fact when he could have done something about it. This was still going on during his governance. Hes part of this nonesense. Hes a part of the reason men fell into red pill and part of the reason Trump is president.

Part of being president is to know whats going on with the people and to help change it and he just turned a blind eye like every other leader. This is literally the biggest issue in USA right now and he didnt do anything to govern the people in the right direction. He was too focused on making himself look like a saint.

This is why I say when you are president you should live in the shit with everyone else. You shouldnt be given a palace, you shouldnt get paid. It should be a duty not a job, a sacrifice for better. If you are president and people vote that their lives are not better ( not monetarily but spiritually ) (A government should be in charge of the people spiritually, not religious but in terms of how good they feel with themselves)you should be put on a sacrificial plate and given to the Gods.

USA specifically treats their elections like an episode of Jerry Springer. And thats what they are currently getting in return.

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

 

Good points man, obviously this hits an emotional chord with you too. Good place to look into and see what you can heal from this trauma. 

[Basman]

Male disenfranchisement is one of factors that lead to democratic decline and authoritarianism. 

Historically, societies used to provide a different frameworks for developing men. Such as largely fallen to the way side. I had a phase where I looked up a lot to older men as a young adult, an instinctual way of looking to grow myself. Past societies would've had some frameworks ingrained into the culture for developing men since they appreciated the need to turn boys into men. You get minimal if any guidance growing up from our culture. It's a shame and an example of a lack of healthy conservatism.

I don't think girls receive much guidance either, which also isn't good.

[Basman]

Pig head liberalism is completely scrapping a framework because it didn't work for a fraction of the population and replacing it with something that doesn't work for anyone. Rejecting healthy conservatism because you hate your boomer parents.

Like how they want to completely get rid of capitalism somehow because certain aspects work poorly, as opposed to just improving those aspects. The "alternatives" that progressives come up with are damaging and dangerous. You can see it with all this incels that shoot up schools and vote AFD because they can't get a girlfriend. It's a societal failure. Likewise with the US risking losing it's democracy to goons like Trump. Progressives need to take responsibility for how they contribute to societal degradation due to how they prioritize ideological purity over reality. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

10 minutes ago, Basman said:

I don't think girls receive much guidance either, which also isn't good.

I think it is true for women also. I was raised with some strong baller women (they didn't dominate men, no, just had some grit and understood how to be a good caretaker/mother) who were balanced, fair & never lost their femininity in the pursuit of excellence and substance.

It was impressed upon me to be someone of substance and passion, and never to invest fully into appearance and looks because 'attractive women die twice'. I was taught what I did and my choices defined me more than physical attributes. Investing in high quality endeavours.

I don't see much of this happening - social media is raising girls now. And what are we showing them? A generation of rich wealthy older women plumped up as mutton dressed as lamb. Looksmaxxing, fillers, botox, fucking pterodactyl eyelashes. Instead of self confidence and mastery they are shown to invest even more into appearance (a shit asset for long term investment). And then they turn into feminists who want to deny men's issues because they dislike how they are objectified as sex objects... without even realising they are feeding and perpetuating this same issue with their focus on appearance and resisting aging. There is no critical thinking or questioning this. Just blind leading the blind. 

Don't get me wrong, there are issues on both sides. I think men have more issues within the current state of society. 

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8 hours ago, Basman said:

Male disenfranchisement is one of factors that lead to democratic decline and authoritarianism. 

Historically, societies used to provide a different frameworks for developing men. Such as largely fallen to the way side. I had a phase where I looked up a lot to older men as a young adult, an instinctual way of looking to grow myself. Past societies would've had some frameworks ingrained into the culture for developing men since they appreciated the need to turn boys into men. You get minimal if any guidance growing up from our culture. It's a shame and an example of a lack of healthy conservatism.

Great points

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I don't think girls receive much guidance either, which also isn't good.

I agree with Scott Galloway when he says girls are told the most powerful narrative that exists: over coming thousands of years of injustice towards women. Meanwhile boys are told "don't be toxic".

Edited 22 hours ago by enchanted

[Hojo]

@BasmanConservatives say that about the entire government. They keep saying the government needs to be scrapped. Conservatives want to go back to cowboys and looters as you can see by their leaders. At least switching from government system to another isnt throwing away the whole system.

Edited 13 hours ago by Hojo

[Basman]

10 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@BasmanConservatives say that about the entire government. They keep saying the government needs to be scrapped. Conservatives want to go back to cowboys and looters as you can see by their leaders. At least switching from government system to another isnt throwing away the whole system.

Healthy conservatism is necessary for a healthy society because it keeps it based in reality. Like budgeting against deficit spending, maintaining the border by kicking out illegal migrants, being sufficiently harsh on crime and promoting healthy gender roles that the populace wants (shocker, but most people want to be men and women).

The current American conservative base is overrun by lunatics and authoritarians. It's a shitshow. But using the current sad state of American politics to argue for some knee jerk reaction against capitalism is equally ridiculous. 

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45 minutes ago, Basman said:

Healthy conservatism is necessary for a healthy society because it keeps it based in reality. Like budgeting against deficit spending, maintaining the border by kicking out illegal migrants, being sufficiently harsh on crime and promoting healthy gender roles that the populace wants (shocker, but most people want to be men and women).

The current American conservative base is overrun by lunatics and authoritarians. It's a shitshow. But using the current sad state of American politics to argue for some knee jerk reaction against capitalism is equally ridiculous. 

Yes liberals and progressives sometimes forget that in order to be a mature and healthy person you must TRANSCEND AND INCLUDE conservative values (emphasis on include) just like you would any other lower perspective. 

Edited 12 hours ago by enchanted